June 2011
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(Public Lecture, Brisbane 5th May, 1987)
Shri Mataji: I was not initiated. I had this from my very childhood. You see I know you would like to know about me, but it’s better first you know yourself. Then you will know about me better. All right?
Question: What about vegetarianism? And, if you believe that by eating meat, war can ever be at peace, how can we achieve our spiritual breakthrough?
Shri Mataji: All right, you become vegetarian. All right? So it’s all right for you to become vegetarian and receive that all right?
Any ‘ism’ is against Sahaj Yoga, any ‘ism’ is against, ‘ism’ is a mental idea, it’s not the truth, it’s not reality, you have to face the reality as it is with your mental projections you do not do not conform to something. First of all find out what is right and what is wrong through your Spirit, in the light of the Spirit you find out and then you decide. It is no use before hand just to decide this is the thing and that is the thing.
You see this kind of nonsensical ideas people had so many to such an extent that in India we have Jainism in which they do not even kill the bugs or the mosquitoes or anything and they don’t want to go in the W.C.’s but they go onto some hills and the Mayor of Bombay came to ask Me: “What should we do about it?” Because they say that in our religion we cannot even kill these things which are being excreted out, so now we have to save them, imagine, we have to save human beings. Are we going to give Realizations to chickens or what?
You have to be sensible enough first of all to ask for your spiritual ascent and then decide, don’t decide before hand, it’s like the snake story I told you just now.
Shri Mataji: Excellent. They are the best. Children are the best. I mean they have no complications, you see. We are complicated. We are on the left side or the right side, we have complications. They are such balanced things. They are the best. Children are the best. The more the merrier. I told them to bring all the children here, I would have been so happy in their company. They may be, most of them may be already born realised. You can’t say. (Public Lecture, Brisbane 5th May, 1987)
Interviewer: So, you are talking about God as a real entity, as an existing entity. God, I mean, is existing, is something for you?
Shri Mataji: Of course.
Interviewer: Yes.
Shri Mataji: Of course He exists.
Interviewer: Excuse me that I’m asking this [it was not clear for me ?].
Shri Mataji: No, no, it’s correct, it’s correct, it’s correct. No, no, what I am saying is true.
But I would say in modern times, as Buddha didn’t want to talk about God, I didn’t talk about God for at least two years. Tried to avoid, because in modern times if you talk about God half of the people would leave the hall. But gradually now I convinced them about the existence of God, God exists.
You have ask just a question, it’s like a computer when you are a Realized Soul. Ask a question. If you say, “Mother, is there God?” Vibrations start coming. Supposing, relatively you see (Shri Mataji laughing & laughter), you put your hands and ask me a question, that’s it. Now you ask another question, like say, supposing somebody comes before me, they start shaking like this. And you say that you are following a false guru, that’s why you are shaking. Then the person will say, “How do you say, that because I am shaking maybe because I have my powers.” So you get another one who’s suffering from lunatic asylum, coming from lunacy, you see, you ask him – he will also shake. So relatively you see what you are. It has happened many a times with us, you see.
In Poona, they’ve said that, “You are not a Brahmin,” and all that. But they never told me, these boys never told me. We were having a program. And suddenly I said, “Who are Brahmins among you?” So five, six of them came and sat before me, “We are Brahmins.” I said, “All right, you are Brahmins, now put your hands towards me.” They started shaking like this. So I said, “Why are you shaking?” So, of course being Indians they said, “Because You are Shakti so we are shaking.” I said, “All right, but why are you shaking, nobody is shaking except for you?” They said, “See, the others are shaking there.” I asked them who are they. So, they said, “We are certified mad people from a lunatic asylum, have come because one person has been cured by You.” (Shri Mataji laughing) So the Brahmins kept all right. This is what it is. (Laughter) I must say the Divine comes to my help, you know. Otherwise these fanatics they think no end of themselves. They think God is in their pockets.
Interviewer: Okay.
Shri Mataji: I am happy you are for New Age. But try to understand where is the New Age. Everything has a camouflage. Everything has a camouflage. When I went to America, people told me that, “Mother, you better get your copyright.” I said, “What copyright?” “You must get copyright, otherwise they will use Your words.“ I said, “Let them use it, it’s a very good idea. Why should I take credit for anything? Let them use.” So they are saying vibrations, they are talking chakras, they are talking this. But what about Kundalini rising? – They can’t do it. They can’t do it. That’s the only point. They are using all my words, if you listen to My lectures long time back, you see, they are using all my words, they are using all my knowledge, everything. But that’s superficial. That’s all superficial. You have to have your Realization. And there is no harm. You take your Realization and you give Realizations to others. But if you want to make money with my words, if you want to make an organization with my words, then I can’t help you, I am sorry. That’s it.
Interviewer: Who do you consider to be the right person for yoga (Self-Realization)? Is there a group of
people that’s easier to be caught by yoga or is it for everybody, or is it a question of the personal education of the mind?
Shri Mataji: No, education is not at all required. The simpler you are, the better it is. Sometimes education can be a barrier, because you see you miss the point, as I would say, if you are too overeducated, could miss the point but if you have that intelligence and that innocent intelligence, which is so sharp, it sees the
point very easily. But a person who is over-intelligent, can be ego–oriented, you see, and a person who could be say very much conditioned and has ritualistic who has faith, blind faith in things is also difficult.
So you have to have a very simple person who is an open-minded person. Scientific in outlook, I should say, would be better but most of the people I meet are – such kind – are mostly in the villages in India or say places where not so much of so called artificiality, sophistication is gone, they’re normal human beings, and they live down to earth.