Radio interview (Santa Cruz USA ’83)

Question: Mother, can you describe what You mean by “Service and sacrifice are a myth, or is a myth.”

Interviewer: Mother, this afternoon You said something very interesting in response to a question by a woman. And, the response that You gave was, “Service and sacrifice are a myth, or is a myth.” Can you describe what You meant by that?

Shri Mataji: Yah. You see, when I said that, when you become a saint, in the sense when you become a realized soul, you find that you are collectively conscious. Then what happens that if somebody has got a problem you feel it on your fingertips. Now, you rub your fingertips and the person feels all right. Now, you have done no service, you have done no sacrifice. It’s your finger that is in trouble. Now, if you rub your finger, who is the other? You see this comes out of ignorance and those … in India actually, they knew it so well that those people who talked of sacrifice and service were called as Shudras, means untouchables. That means they had no knowledge about it. Those people who talked that, “We’ll serve you; we’ll do this dirty work of yours, that dirty work of yours” – they were called as Shudras. They are not the people who should be touched because they have no awareness that the All Pervading Power of God is there which does everything. What you have to do is to just become one with It. Continue Reading »

Question: Mother, what does it mean to open the last center?

(From Radio Interview 1983 Oct 01, Santa Cruz USA)

Interviewer: What does it mean to open the last center (the Sahasrara chakra)?

Shri Mataji: The Sahasrara. Last center is the center which is the limbic area where is the seat of all the seven centers. It’s all integration there. So far, everybody who has come – like, Christ has come on this center what you call the Agnya Chakra. Or, Krishna has come on this center which is the Vishuddhi Chakra. Like that, they have been appearing on every center of ours – giving us a new dimension to our awareness. And, that’s how our awareness has improved to this extent and now the time is for you to get your Absolute; to get your Spirit – that your Spirit must shine into your attention, that you should have your Self-Realization, that you should have your second birth. That’s the time! And, that is only possible if baptism, the real baptism works out – real. Not artificial – somebody coming and putting the hand on your head and saying, “Now, you are baptized.” That’s not the way. But it is a real thing that happens that you start feeling the Cool Breeze of the Holy Ghost coming out.

So, then I started giving first of all Realization without confronting any kind of a position or anything. I started with one lady. Then I went ahead with it. Then the first twelve people got Realization. Then I was very happy because en masse Realization has started. Then gradually it started working out. I went to Indian villages. I thought they are better simple people. First work on the simpler people and they got Realization. Now, we have thousands of people in the villages who have got Realization. They have dropped out all their bad habits. They have become very creative. They are doing very well. They are very happy. And, they are experts. So many of them are experts, I can say, in India now whom we call as Sahaja Yogi, maybe in thousands. Some are working in the villages; some are working in some cities. So, we have lots of people now in India who can do this job.

Interviewer:  This all happened since 1970?

Shri Mataji: I started it.

Interviewer: You started?

Shri Mataji: Yeah.

Question: What is there that you wish to share that has not been said this evening?

Interviewer: We are about at the end of the (radio) interview and what I want to do now, Mother, is give you a chance to say what’s in your heart to say. What is there that You wish to share that has not been said this evening?

Shri Mataji: I have to say that America is a great country in the universe. It has the place of the Vishuddhi Chakra, which is the center of responsibility and discretion. And, they have been so responsible. So far they have given such noble ideas of democracy and of freedom and all those things which are really all belonging to God’s ideas. And, when they talk of all these things, we must know that there is something much more that they can give to the whole world. So many saints are born in this country because they realize that this is the country where they’ll be able to prosper better into their spirituality. So, it is a very great responsibility of Americans to understand that we have had great leaders, we have had great noble ideals, we have had got great saints living here. So many are anxious to come down here. Only thing what we have to do is to establish within ourselves our Spirit, and to be ready and prepared for this great, tremendous work that is going to come now. And, this is what the world has to do. If emancipation of the humanity has to take place, it has to take place only from inside out and not outside in.

Another thing, I would like to tell that the danger is not from outside for America, not from anywhere else. It is from within themselves. So be careful. We have to be careful about ourselves – the way we are destroying. When we say, “What’s wrong?” we go head long into our destructions. Human beings should not take freedom as abandonment, but freedom to enjoy completely and fully. The freedom that takes you to a destruction is not freedom. The right idea of freedom must be taken. And, people should know that freedom, ultimate freedom, is when you become your own master, when there are no habits, when you cannot be dominated by anything. You are above everything. That’s the freedom you have to achieve, and that is why people talked long time back in this country about freedom. They helped all the countries to get their freedom, and now it is their job to get them their own freedom within themselves so that others will also follow.

May God bless you all.

Interviewer: Thank you, Mother.

Question: Shri Mataji, what about teachers or gurus who produce miracles. You go to a guru who will materialize something out of the air and say, “This is divine.” That’s a….

(From Radio Interview 1983 Oct 01, Santa Cruz USA)
Interviewer: Shri Mataji, what about teachers or gurus who produce miracles. You go to a guru who will materialize something out of the air and say, “This is divine.” That’s a….

Shri Mataji: This is all jugglery. It’s all jugglery. And also, you see, now supposing somebody says, “I produce a diamond.” Now, these people come from India, why don’t they solve the financial problem of India? [laughter and applause]

Secondly, you see, at every point they can be challenged. You should say that … then all right, one gentleman came to Me and said that, “He gave me a diamond.”

I said, “Why you? How many diamonds you have?”

He said, “Hundreds.”

Then I said, “Why did he give you? He should give to your driver who hasn’t got a diamond.” Continue Reading »

Question: What can you say to them about how to become a realized soul, how to achieve this Cool Breeze?

Interviewer: The listeners who will be tuning in to this program on the radio won’t have had the experience of being in Your presence. Some of them may have who were in this room. What can you say to them about how to become a realized soul, how to achieve this Cool Breeze that comes from… 

Shri Mataji: At the beginning of My lecture, if you tell them that they should put their hands towards the radio. Just on the radio. They might feel the Feeling the Cool Breeze If they don’t feel it, then tell them to put the right hand first till they feel the cool breeze, and left hand up as if ventilating out. And, then the left hand towards the radio and the right hand up. It might work out because it has worked in Hong Kong. [laughter]

Interviewer: I’ll tell You something interesting. I interviewed Danny and Doug (Sahaja Yogis) before You came so that listeners would have a chance to come here. And, one of them called me and said that he went into meditation in the afternoon and felt the Cool Breeze just by hearing them talk.

Shri Mataji: See, if Sahaja Yogis can do it then when I’m talking it should happen. [laughter]

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