Radio interview (Santa Cruz USA ’83)

Question: Shri Mataji, You are called “Mother.”…. what is this meaning?

(From Radio Interview 1983 Oct 01, Santa Cruz USA)
Interviewer: ShriMataji, You are called “Mother.” And, it seems in the Hindu tradition there’s a special context or meaning of the word “Mother.” What is this meaning?

Shri Mataji, the MotherShri Mataji: You see, in the Indian philosophy, even in the Christian philosophy it is so, but it has been little bit changed. If you read the books of Essene, you will find they have described the “Mother.” You see, the Holy Ghost is the Mother. When they say about the Holy Ghost, She is the Mother. But how can you have… You must reason it out. How can you have a father and a son without a mother? [laughter] It’s a, you see, simple thing like that. You see, so it’s the Mother only. Holy Ghost is very important. So, Holy Ghost is the Mother, you see. It’s absurd thing, I mean, to have such a thing. Even homosexuals cannot have children. It’s funny thing, isn’t it. Absolutely absurd! But Christians accepted this. I don’t know why. Why didn’t they go into find out what is this Holy Ghost business is? They said, “It’s a mystery.” How can you say it’s a mystery? When you cannot explain then better not say anything about it. So, Holy Ghost is something hanging in the air. No one knows; it’s a mystery, and the rest of it is the father and the son. It’s absurd!

Now, the principle of Mother is in every, every scripture – has to be there. Now, the Mother’s character is that She is the One Who is the Womb, She is the One Who is the Mother Earth and She is the One Who nourishes you. She nourishes us, you know that. And, this feminine thing in every human being resides as this Kundalini, as you have seen. And, when She rises, She gives you this new awareness which becomes compassion, which is flowing, which becomes soothing, nourishing energy of love. And, that’s what today people are saying feminist this thing and all that. That’s again a pendulum – a man becoming a woman, woman becoming man – all this problem there are because of this. But when you move spirally upward, then where do you move? You become a personality full of compassion, of love, of universal understanding through collective consciousness. And, then you rise up to a position where you become universally conscious. So, that is what should happen to you, and if that happens then we should say that your motherly qualities within you have risen and that’s what we have so far neglected. You do not become a woman but you become motherly. First the father, then the son, and now the mother! All right?

Question: What can you say to them about how to become a realized soul, how to achieve this Cool Breeze?

Interviewer: The listeners who will be tuning in to this program on the radio won’t have had the experience of being in Your presence. Some of them may have who were in this room. What can you say to them about how to become a realized soul, how to achieve this Cool Breeze that comes from… 

Shri Mataji: At the beginning of My lecture, if you tell them that they should put their hands towards the radio. Just on the radio. They might feel the Feeling the Cool Breeze If they don’t feel it, then tell them to put the right hand first till they feel the cool breeze, and left hand up as if ventilating out. And, then the left hand towards the radio and the right hand up. It might work out because it has worked in Hong Kong. [laughter]

Interviewer: I’ll tell You something interesting. I interviewed Danny and Doug (Sahaja Yogis) before You came so that listeners would have a chance to come here. And, one of them called me and said that he went into meditation in the afternoon and felt the Cool Breeze just by hearing them talk.

Shri Mataji: See, if Sahaja Yogis can do it then when I’m talking it should happen. [laughter]

Question: What’s the role of the artist in this work, this Sahaja Yoga?

Interviewer: What’s the role of the artist in this work, this Sahaja Yoga? (An artist, artistic work like music… )

Shri Mataji: Oh, great, great! Tremendous it is! You see, those people who have been realized souls have created eternal  Sistine Chapel art. Like we can say, Michelangelo was a realized soul. So his work is eternal art. And, they produce art which creates vibrations. You can feel vibrations from him. In the whole church if you go you feel horrid, but when you go to Sistine Chapel (photo) and see his work, the whole thing fills you up with vibrations. They are creators of vibrations. Imagine! The musicians like Mozart – Mozart creates vibrations but Wagner… [laughter]

You see. So, they are the people who are realized souls. You have some tennis players who are realized souls also, perhaps you…

Interviewer: Tennis players?

Shri Mataji: Yah! MacEnroe is a realized soul and Borg is also. And, My grandchild told Me, “You know, why Borg has retired? Because another Sahaja Yogi has come now, the younger one, so give chance to him and that’s why he is very honorably retired.” [laughter]

Is because when MacEnroe speaks, you must have seen, he tells himself “John, now behave yourself.”

They are in the third person. And, that’s why people don’t understand him and he doesn’t like to be insulted. And, that’s very true. Anybody who is a saint doesn’t like him to be insulted. So, like that you have so many people who are realized souls, we can say. Even the Princess of Wales (photo) is a realized soul and the new child is a realized soul. So, there are so many people like that who are realized souls.

Question: …you refer to the Kundalini as ‘she’, is that because you are a woman?

Question: In your discourse you refer to the Kundalini as ‘she’, is that because you are a woman?

Shri Mataji: No, no, ‘she’ is the female side. See ‘she’s’ the shakti, ‘she’s’ the female side. SunlightThat’s why the quarrel about women and men is all falsehood. There’s nothing like that, they exist together. Is like the moon and the moonlight. Is like the sun and sunlight. Is like the God and the Kundalini. Is like the word and the meaning.

Question: How do we know who is teaching something that’s true or who is being deceptive?

(From Radio Interview 1983 Oct 01, Santa Cruz USA)

Interviewer: I have a question that’s important to me and to many people who are searching for something or seeking perhaps, what you call, Self Realization or Sahaja Yoga or something. Some of us don’t know exactly what it is. But we find that there are many teachers. How do we recognize those teachers that you might call fraudulent from the real ones? It’s so difficult because they all seem to be able to inspire us in certain ways and give us experiences. How do we know who is teaching something that’s true or who is being deceptive?

Shri Mataji: First and foremost thing is, anybody who lives on your earnings is not a guru. A guru will never live on the earnings of his disciples. But here there are people who have built palaces, bought aircrafts and cars and this. I mean, this is something one should understand. It’s so, so open to you to understand. I mean, I cannot understand more obvious thing that this one is that it’s a parasitic living. And, you cannot have a parasites as your gurus. They can be parasites but not your gurus. That’s one of the things. And if you… [laughter] Continue Reading »

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