Radio interview (Santa Cruz USA ’83)
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Interviewer: The listeners who will be tuning in to this program on the radio won’t have had the experience of being in Your presence. Some of them may have who were in this room. What can you say to them about how to become a realized soul, how to achieve this Cool Breeze that comes from…
Shri Mataji: At the beginning of My lecture, if you tell them that they should put their hands towards the radio. Just on the radio. They might feel the If they don’t feel it, then tell them to put the right hand first till they feel the cool breeze, and left hand up as if ventilating out. And, then the left hand towards the radio and the right hand up. It might work out because it has worked in Hong Kong. [laughter]
Interviewer: I’ll tell You something interesting. I interviewed Danny and Doug (Sahaja Yogis) before You came so that listeners would have a chance to come here. And, one of them called me and said that he went into meditation in the afternoon and felt the Cool Breeze just by hearing them talk.
Shri Mataji: See, if Sahaja Yogis can do it then when I’m talking it should happen. [laughter]
Interviewer: We are about at the end of the (radio) interview and what I want to do now, Mother, is give you a chance to say what’s in your heart to say. What is there that You wish to share that has not been said this evening?
Shri Mataji: I have to say that America is a great country in the universe. It has the place of the Vishuddhi Chakra, which is the center of responsibility and discretion. And, they have been so responsible. So far they have given such noble ideas of democracy and of freedom and all those things which are really all belonging to God’s ideas. And, when they talk of all these things, we must know that there is something much more that they can give to the whole world. So many saints are born in this country because they realize that this is the country where they’ll be able to prosper better into their spirituality. So, it is a very great responsibility of Americans to understand that we have had great leaders, we have had great noble ideals, we have had got great saints living here. So many are anxious to come down here. Only thing what we have to do is to establish within ourselves our Spirit, and to be ready and prepared for this great, tremendous work that is going to come now. And, this is what the world has to do. If emancipation of the humanity has to take place, it has to take place only from inside out and not outside in.
Another thing, I would like to tell that the danger is not from outside for America, not from anywhere else. It is from within themselves. So be careful. We have to be careful about ourselves – the way we are destroying. When we say, “What’s wrong?” we go head long into our destructions. Human beings should not take freedom as abandonment, but freedom to enjoy completely and fully. The freedom that takes you to a destruction is not freedom. The right idea of freedom must be taken. And, people should know that freedom, ultimate freedom, is when you become your own master, when there are no habits, when you cannot be dominated by anything. You are above everything. That’s the freedom you have to achieve, and that is why people talked long time back in this country about freedom. They helped all the countries to get their freedom, and now it is their job to get them their own freedom within themselves so that others will also follow.
May God bless you all.
Interviewer: Thank you, Mother.
(From Radio Interview 1983 Oct 01, Santa Cruz USA)
Interviewer: ShriMataji, You are called “Mother.” And, it seems in the Hindu tradition there’s a special context or meaning of the word “Mother.” What is this meaning?
Shri Mataji: You see, in the Indian philosophy, even in the Christian philosophy it is so, but it has been little bit changed. If you read the books of Essene, you will find they have described the “Mother.” You see, the Holy Ghost is the Mother. When they say about the Holy Ghost, She is the Mother. But how can you have… You must reason it out. How can you have a father and a son without a mother? [laughter] It’s a, you see, simple thing like that. You see, so it’s the Mother only. Holy Ghost is very important. So, Holy Ghost is the Mother, you see. It’s absurd thing, I mean, to have such a thing. Even homosexuals cannot have children. It’s funny thing, isn’t it. Absolutely absurd! But Christians accepted this. I don’t know why. Why didn’t they go into find out what is this Holy Ghost business is? They said, “It’s a mystery.” How can you say it’s a mystery? When you cannot explain then better not say anything about it. So, Holy Ghost is something hanging in the air. No one knows; it’s a mystery, and the rest of it is the father and the son. It’s absurd!
Now, the principle of Mother is in every, every scripture – has to be there. Now, the Mother’s character is that She is the One Who is the Womb, She is the One Who is the Mother Earth and She is the One Who nourishes you. She nourishes us, you know that. And, this feminine thing in every human being resides as this Kundalini, as you have seen. And, when She rises, She gives you this new awareness which becomes compassion, which is flowing, which becomes soothing, nourishing energy of love. And, that’s what today people are saying feminist this thing and all that. That’s again a pendulum – a man becoming a woman, woman becoming man – all this problem there are because of this. But when you move spirally upward, then where do you move? You become a personality full of compassion, of love, of universal understanding through collective consciousness. And, then you rise up to a position where you become universally conscious. So, that is what should happen to you, and if that happens then we should say that your motherly qualities within you have risen and that’s what we have so far neglected. You do not become a woman but you become motherly. First the father, then the son, and now the mother! All right?
Interviewer: Mother, this afternoon You said something very interesting in response to a question by a woman. And, the response that You gave was, “Service and sacrifice are a myth, or is a myth.” Can you describe what You meant by that?
Shri Mataji: Yah. You see, when I said that, when you become a saint, in the sense when you become a realized soul, you find that you are collectively conscious. Then what happens that if somebody has got a problem you feel it on your fingertips. Now, you rub your fingertips and the person feels all right. Now, you have done no service, you have done no sacrifice. It’s your finger that is in trouble. Now, if you rub your finger, who is the other? You see this comes out of ignorance and those … in India actually, they knew it so well that those people who talked of sacrifice and service were called as Shudras, means untouchables. That means they had no knowledge about it. Those people who talked that, “We’ll serve you; we’ll do this dirty work of yours, that dirty work of yours” – they were called as Shudras. They are not the people who should be touched because they have no awareness that the All Pervading Power of God is there which does everything. What you have to do is to just become one with It. Continue Reading »
(From Radio Interview 1983 Oct 01, Santa Cruz USA)
Interviewer: What is the role of woman in this world, the role of the feminine principle?
Shri Mataji: I would say … I don’t say that women as women who are born as women only have the role, even the men have, everyone has because everyone has Kundalini within them. But the women must know that if they are women, they have a greater responsibility. Not that they should sit at home and only look after children and brood and then nag the husbands when they come home. [laughter] That’s not their role. The role is such that they have to be forbearing. Any person who is the mother has to be like the Mother Earth – how much She is forbearing, how much She suffers! We dig Her out, we torture Her life. Still, She is giving all the time; She is soothing, forgiving, bearing it out. We are doing so many sinful things, I mean, She should explode real with anger, the way it is but She does not. She is very careful. She slowly, slowly informs that “Now get out of this place, it’s rumbling.” She is so kind, you see – that all should come to us.
So, it’s not that it is only the women who should settle down with these qualities, but the time has come that men have to have these qualities. Otherwise, there will be always an imbalance. So, now the men have to become extremely kind, affectionate, compassionate. Give up that competitive spirit, that fighting spirit like Napoleon had – all those ideas are outdated. Now, whom do you respect? People like Mahatma Gandhi or Abraham Lincoln. Everyone, an American should think of Abraham Lincoln.