Radio interview (Santa Cruz USA ’83)
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(From Radio Interview 1983 Oct 01, Santa Cruz USA)
Interviewer: Mother, today there are many, many things said about Sahaja Yoga, about Your philosophy, and very little is said about who You are as a person. [Shri Mataji laughs] And, I thought it would be good to start out with some, some questions about who You are; who were You as a child; what people influenced You; what brought You to the place You are today as a Luminous Being sitting before me and before us.
Shri Mataji: I am a very ancient being – that problem is like this. [laughter] I had to… what can I tell you about Myself? I just don’t know what part will interest you, but only thing I can say that I was born with this understanding and awareness that I have to find out a method by which I could give en masse Realization to people. I was a Realized Soul, of course. I knew all about it from My very childhood. But the problem was that how to make many people get it, because if one person gets it or one person has it; if one person is an incarnation, people don’t understand it. Not only that but they may even try to destroy such a person. That’s what happened to all the saints who came on this earth. Christ was crucified; Mohammed Sahib was given poison – because they were
ignorant. They did not know what it was, what was He saying.
So, it was important first of all to find out a method how to give them en masse Realization, and from that angle I just thought that “this is why I am on this earth and I have to do this job” for which I wanted to study about human beings. I took My birth in a Christian family and that too a family which was Protestant family, because I felt that Protestants are fanatics but very sophisticated. [laughter] And, they rationalize everything to such an extent that nobody can see beyond it. So, I better take My birth in them and My father and mother had already taken birth whom I had chosen as My parents. They were great people, realized souls and specially My father was a person who knew why I was on this earth. Even My mother knew about it. Continue Reading »
Interviewer: Many of us have heard discussions or read in books about the evolution of matter, the evolution of substance. What are Your views on evolving matter and how does this relate to our own physical matter in our bodies, in our cells?
Shri Mataji: For the matter did go into evolution, you know that, and when the carbon was established, actually our first Chakra was established. That’s carbon which is tetravalent and carbon is the one which started producing amino acids, you see. When amino acid started manifesting itself this, then the other processes took place by which the evolution of,say, from amoeba to human stage took place. That also we understand very well after getting Realization, how we became from amoeba to human stage; and after human stage we have to achieve our Self Realization, means the Spirit which is in our heart has to manifest in our attention, or we have to feel it on central nervous system. But what is the relationship between matter and this? We should see that point. It’s important.
Now, through the matter all our centers are made. For example, the two centers that are down below are made of the Mother Earth principle. And, then another one and another one like that. All these elements have contributed to make the centers. And, these centers are just like mirrors made and the reflection of the Divine falls on them. Then, at a human level the matter improves so much, goes into such evolutionary processes, that the reflection at the heart level improves so much that the Spirit shines there,and the Kundalini is properly set for your evolution which is the epitome of evolution. Like this instrument that is made one by one first collecting this part, that part, that part then put together. Now the time has come for you to be put to the mains. Now, this has nothing to do with the electricity if you see. It exists without electricity but it can carry the electricity. In the same way, we become the lamp and when we become the lamp, the light can be brought in and we become enlightened. So, there is a big relationship between the lamp and the light but light cannot exist without the lamp, so lamp has to be there.
Interviewer: Mother, this afternoon You said something very interesting in response to a question by a woman. And, the response that You gave was, “Service and sacrifice are a myth, or is a myth.” Can you describe what You meant by that?
Shri Mataji: Yah. You see, when I said that, when you become a saint, in the sense when you become a realized soul, you find that you are collectively conscious. Then what happens that if somebody has got a problem you feel it on your fingertips. Now, you rub your fingertips and the person feels all right. Now, you have done no service, you have done no sacrifice. It’s your finger that is in trouble. Now, if you rub your finger, who is the other? You see this comes out of ignorance and those … in India actually, they knew it so well that those people who talked of sacrifice and service were called as Shudras, means untouchables. That means they had no knowledge about it. Those people who talked that, “We’ll serve you; we’ll do this dirty work of yours, that dirty work of yours” – they were called as Shudras. They are not the people who should be touched because they have no awareness that the All Pervading Power of God is there which does everything. What you have to do is to just become one with It. Continue Reading »
(From Radio Interview 1983 Oct 01, Santa Cruz USA)
Interviewer: What does it mean to open the last center (the Sahasrara chakra)?
Shri Mataji: The Sahasrara. Last center is the center which is the limbic area where is the seat of all the seven centers. It’s all integration there. So far, everybody who has come – like, Christ has come on this center what you call the Agnya Chakra. Or, Krishna has come on this center which is the Vishuddhi Chakra. Like that, they have been appearing on every center of ours – giving us a new dimension to our awareness. And, that’s how our awareness has improved to this extent and now the time is for you to get your Absolute; to get your Spirit – that your Spirit must shine into your attention, that you should have your Self-Realization, that you should have your second birth. That’s the time! And, that is only possible if baptism, the real baptism works out – real. Not artificial – somebody coming and putting the hand on your head and saying, “Now, you are baptized.” That’s not the way. But it is a real thing that happens that you start feeling the Cool Breeze of the Holy Ghost coming out.
So, then I started giving first of all Realization without confronting any kind of a position or anything. I started with one lady. Then I went ahead with it. Then the first twelve people got Realization. Then I was very happy because en masse Realization has started. Then gradually it started working out. I went to Indian villages. I thought they are better simple people. First work on the simpler people and they got Realization. Now, we have thousands of people in the villages who have got Realization. They have dropped out all their bad habits. They have become very creative. They are doing very well. They are very happy. And, they are experts. So many of them are experts, I can say, in India now whom we call as Sahaja Yogi, maybe in thousands. Some are working in the villages; some are working in some cities. So, we have lots of people now in India who can do this job.
Interviewer: This all happened since 1970?
Shri Mataji: I started it.
Interviewer: You started?
Shri Mataji: Yeah.
Interviewer: We are about at the end of the (radio) interview and what I want to do now, Mother, is give you a chance to say what’s in your heart to say. What is there that You wish to share that has not been said this evening?
Shri Mataji: I have to say that America is a great country in the universe. It has the place of the Vishuddhi Chakra, which is the center of responsibility and discretion. And, they have been so responsible. So far they have given such noble ideas of democracy and of freedom and all those things which are really all belonging to God’s ideas. And, when they talk of all these things, we must know that there is something much more that they can give to the whole world. So many saints are born in this country because they realize that this is the country where they’ll be able to prosper better into their spirituality. So, it is a very great responsibility of Americans to understand that we have had great leaders, we have had great noble ideals, we have had got great saints living here. So many are anxious to come down here. Only thing what we have to do is to establish within ourselves our Spirit, and to be ready and prepared for this great, tremendous work that is going to come now. And, this is what the world has to do. If emancipation of the humanity has to take place, it has to take place only from inside out and not outside in.
Another thing, I would like to tell that the danger is not from outside for America, not from anywhere else. It is from within themselves. So be careful. We have to be careful about ourselves – the way we are destroying. When we say, “What’s wrong?” we go head long into our destructions. Human beings should not take freedom as abandonment, but freedom to enjoy completely and fully. The freedom that takes you to a destruction is not freedom. The right idea of freedom must be taken. And, people should know that freedom, ultimate freedom, is when you become your own master, when there are no habits, when you cannot be dominated by anything. You are above everything. That’s the freedom you have to achieve, and that is why people talked long time back in this country about freedom. They helped all the countries to get their freedom, and now it is their job to get them their own freedom within themselves so that others will also follow.
May God bless you all.
Interviewer: Thank you, Mother.