Radio interview (Santa Cruz USA ’83)

Question: …you refer to the Kundalini as ‘she’, is that because you are a woman?

Question: In your discourse you refer to the Kundalini as ‘she’, is that because you are a woman?

Shri Mataji: No, no, ‘she’ is the female side. See ‘she’s’ the shakti, ‘she’s’ the female side. SunlightThat’s why the quarrel about women and men is all falsehood. There’s nothing like that, they exist together. Is like the moon and the moonlight. Is like the sun and sunlight. Is like the God and the Kundalini. Is like the word and the meaning.

Question: Shri Mother, what are we doing here? What is the purpose of life on earth? What are human beings walking around on this planet for?

(From Radio Interview 1983 Oct 01, Santa Cruz USA)
Interviewer: Shri Mataji, what are we doing here? What is the purpose of life on earth? What are human beings walking around on this planet for?

Shri Mataji: You are specially made by God. You are specially chosen by God to be human beings and you are here with a very great purpose. The first purpose of God is that you should become the vehicle of God’s powers,completely. So that He flows through you, He flows into this atmosphere, into this universe, to make it a divine place. When you get Realization, what happens? These – all your abnormalities drop out and you become very normal person and these vibrations of Cool Breeze start flowing. With this now you can give it to Mother Earth, you can give it to the plants, you can give it to the trees. The whole thing becomes a “Garden of Allah” where you reside in complete joy and happiness.

The second purpose is that God has prepared you now to settle into His The Garden of Eden, Erastus Salisbury Field, 1865. CGFA.Kingdom. That’s your throne. That’s your right to be there. It could have been short circuited at a time when Adam and Eve were called and told not to go into this so-called “book of knowledge” or the “fruit of knowledge.” But they didn’t listen, you see. If you give freedom to someone then, “What’s wrong?” So, they started doing things which were brought to them by a satanic force and they accepted it. So, that was the original sin we have committed. So, they had to take incarnations, do all those things and now brought it to this level where human beings have to be brought again back to the position where they were to go.

Question: Shri Mother, what is the true nature of death?…

Interviewer: Mother, what is the true nature of death? Is it possible that you can choose not to die? What’s the purpose of death?

Shri Mataji: See, death is just like changing your clothes. So sometimes when you use too much of your clothes you get tired. You want to change it. Like that death is. Nobody dies, there’s nothing that dies except that the part that is the Mother Earth and the part that is the water falls off, and you remain as you are. But if you are a realized soul, then you have a choice. If you want to be born again, you would like to be born. If you don’t want to be born, you will not be born. But after Realization, it becomes your choice. If you want to die, you can die. If you don’t want to die, you need not die. But you want because you think that “Let us die and come back as new people again to help Mother.”

Question: Shri Mataji, what are Your views on evolving matter…?

Interviewer: Many of us have heard discussions or read in books about the evolution of matter, the evolution of substance. What are Your views on evolving matter and how does this relate to our own physical matter in our bodies, in our cells?

Shri Mataji: For the matter did go into evolution, you know that, and when the carbon was established, actually our first Chakra was established. That’s carbon which is tetravalent and carbon is the one which started producing amino acids, you see. When amino acid started manifesting itself this, then the other processes took place by which the evolution of,say, from amoeba to human stage took place. That also we understand very well after getting Realization, how we became from amoeba to human stage; and after human stage we have to achieve our Self Realization, means the Spirit which is in our heart has to manifest in our attention, or we have to feel it on central nervous system. But what is the relationship between matter and this? We should see that point. It’s important.

Now, through the matter all our centers are made. For example, the two centers that are down below are made of the Mother Earth principle. And, then another one and another one like that. All these elements have contributed to make the centers. And, these centers are just like mirrors made and the reflection of the Divine falls on them. Then, at a human level the matter improves so much, goes into such evolutionary processes, that the reflection at the heart level improves so much that the Spirit shines there,and the Kundalini is properly set for your evolution which is the epitome of evolution. Like this instrument that is made one by one first collecting this part, that part, that part then put together. Now the time has come for you to be put to the mains. Now, this has nothing to do with the electricity if you see. It exists without electricity but it can carry the electricity. In the same way, we become the lamp and when we become the lamp, the light can be brought in and we become enlightened. So, there is a big relationship between the lamp and the light but light cannot exist without the lamp, so lamp has to be there.

Question: Shri Mataji, You are called “Mother.”…. what is this meaning?

(From Radio Interview 1983 Oct 01, Santa Cruz USA)
Interviewer: ShriMataji, You are called “Mother.” And, it seems in the Hindu tradition there’s a special context or meaning of the word “Mother.” What is this meaning?

Shri Mataji, the MotherShri Mataji: You see, in the Indian philosophy, even in the Christian philosophy it is so, but it has been little bit changed. If you read the books of Essene, you will find they have described the “Mother.” You see, the Holy Ghost is the Mother. When they say about the Holy Ghost, She is the Mother. But how can you have… You must reason it out. How can you have a father and a son without a mother? [laughter] It’s a, you see, simple thing like that. You see, so it’s the Mother only. Holy Ghost is very important. So, Holy Ghost is the Mother, you see. It’s absurd thing, I mean, to have such a thing. Even homosexuals cannot have children. It’s funny thing, isn’t it. Absolutely absurd! But Christians accepted this. I don’t know why. Why didn’t they go into find out what is this Holy Ghost business is? They said, “It’s a mystery.” How can you say it’s a mystery? When you cannot explain then better not say anything about it. So, Holy Ghost is something hanging in the air. No one knows; it’s a mystery, and the rest of it is the father and the son. It’s absurd!

Now, the principle of Mother is in every, every scripture – has to be there. Now, the Mother’s character is that She is the One Who is the Womb, She is the One Who is the Mother Earth and She is the One Who nourishes you. She nourishes us, you know that. And, this feminine thing in every human being resides as this Kundalini, as you have seen. And, when She rises, She gives you this new awareness which becomes compassion, which is flowing, which becomes soothing, nourishing energy of love. And, that’s what today people are saying feminist this thing and all that. That’s again a pendulum – a man becoming a woman, woman becoming man – all this problem there are because of this. But when you move spirally upward, then where do you move? You become a personality full of compassion, of love, of universal understanding through collective consciousness. And, then you rise up to a position where you become universally conscious. So, that is what should happen to you, and if that happens then we should say that your motherly qualities within you have risen and that’s what we have so far neglected. You do not become a woman but you become motherly. First the father, then the son, and now the mother! All right?

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