Radio interview (Santa Cruz USA ’83)
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(From Radio Interview 1983 Oct 01, Santa Cruz USA)
Interviewer: Mother, today there are many, many things said about Sahaja Yoga, about Your philosophy, and very little is said about who You are as a person. [Shri Mataji laughs] And, I thought it would be good to start out with some, some questions about who You are; who were You as a child; what people influenced You; what brought You to the place You are today as a Luminous Being sitting before me and before us.
Shri Mataji: I am a very ancient being – that problem is like this. [laughter] I had to… what can I tell you about Myself? I just don’t know
what part will interest you, but only thing I can say that I was born with this understanding and awareness that I have to find out a method by which I could give en masse Realization to people. I was a Realized Soul, of course. I knew all about it from My very childhood. But the problem was that how to make many people get it, because if one person gets it or one person has it; if one person is an incarnation, people don’t understand it. Not only that but they may even try to destroy such a person. That’s what happened to all the saints who came on this earth. Christ was crucified; Mohammed Sahib was given poison – because they were
ignorant. They did not know what it was, what was He saying.
So, it was important first of all to find out a method how to give them en masse Realization, and from that angle I just thought that “this is why I am on this earth and I have to do this job” for which I wanted to study about human beings. I took My birth in a Christian family and that too a family which was Protestant family, because I felt that Protestants are fanatics but very sophisticated. [laughter] And, they rationalize everything to such an extent that nobody can see beyond it. So, I better take My birth in them and My father and mother had already taken birth whom I had chosen as My parents. They were great people, realized souls and specially My father was a person who knew why I was on this earth. Even My mother knew about it. Continue Reading »
Question: In your discourse you refer to the Kundalini as ‘she’, is that because you are a woman?
Shri Mataji: No, no, ‘she’ is the female side. See ‘she’s’ the shakti, ‘she’s’ the female side.
That’s why the quarrel about women and men is all falsehood. There’s nothing like that, they exist together. Is like the moon and the moonlight. Is like the sun and sunlight. Is like the God and the Kundalini. Is like the word and the meaning.
(From Radio Interview 1983 Oct 01, Santa Cruz USA)
Interviewer: What is the role of woman in this world, the role of the feminine principle?
Shri Mataji: I would say … I don’t say that women as women who are born as women only have the role, even the men have, everyone has because everyone has Kundalini within them. But the women must know that if they are women, they have a greater responsibility. Not that they should sit at home and only look after children and brood and then nag the husbands when they come home. [laughter] That’s not their role. The role is such that they have to be forbearing. Any person who is the mother has to be like the Mother Earth – how much She is forbearing, how much She suffers! We dig Her out, we torture Her life. Still, She is giving all the time; She is soothing, forgiving, bearing it out. We are doing so many sinful things, I mean, She should explode real with anger, the way it is but She does not. She is very careful. She slowly, slowly informs that “Now get out of this place, it’s rumbling.” She is so kind, you see – that all should come to us.
So, it’s not that it is only the women who should settle down with these qualities, but the time has come that men have to have these qualities. Otherwise, there will be always an imbalance. So, now the men have to become extremely kind, affectionate, compassionate. Give up that competitive spirit, that fighting spirit like Napoleon had – all those ideas are outdated. Now, whom do you respect? People like Mahatma Gandhi or Abraham Lincoln. Everyone, an American should think of Abraham Lincoln.
(From Radio Interview 1983 Oct 01, Santa Cruz USA)
Interviewer: What does it mean to open the last center (the Sahasrara chakra)?
Shri Mataji: The Sahasrara. Last center is the center which is the limbic area where is the seat of all the seven centers. It’s all integration there. So far,
everybody who has come – like, Christ has come on this center what you call the Agnya Chakra. Or, Krishna has come on this center which is the Vishuddhi Chakra. Like that, they have been appearing on every center of ours – giving us a new dimension to our awareness. And, that’s how our awareness has improved to this extent and now the time is for you to get your Absolute; to get your Spirit – that your Spirit must shine into your attention, that you should have your Self-Realization, that you should have your second birth. That’s the time! And, that is only possible if baptism, the real baptism works out – real. Not artificial – somebody coming and putting the hand on your head and saying, “Now, you are baptized.” That’s not the way. But it is a real thing that happens that you start feeling the Cool Breeze of the Holy Ghost coming out.
So, then I started giving first of all Realization without confronting any kind of a position or anything. I started with one lady. Then I went ahead with it. Then the first twelve people got Realization. Then I was very happy because en masse Realization has started. Then gradually it started working out. I went to Indian villages. I thought they are better simple people. First work on the simpler people and they got Realization. Now, we have thousands of people in the villages who have got Realization. They have dropped out all their bad habits. They have become very creative. They are doing very well. They are very happy. And, they are experts. So many of them are experts, I can say, in India now whom we call as Sahaja Yogi, maybe in thousands. Some are working in the villages; some are working in some cities. So, we have lots of people now in India who can do this job.
Interviewer: This all happened since 1970?
Shri Mataji: I started it.
Interviewer: You started?
Shri Mataji: Yeah.
(From Radio Interview 1983 Oct 01, Santa Cruz USA)
Interviewer: I have a question that’s important to me and to many people who are searching for something or seeking perhaps, what you call, Self Realization or Sahaja Yoga or something. Some of us don’t know exactly what it is. But we find that there are many teachers. How do we recognize those teachers that you might call fraudulent from the real ones? It’s so difficult because they all seem to be able to inspire us in certain ways and give us experiences. How do we know who is teaching something that’s true or who is being deceptive?
Shri Mataji: First and foremost thing is, anybody who lives on your earnings is not a guru. A guru will never live on the earnings of his disciples. But here there are people who have built palaces, bought aircrafts and cars and this. I mean, this is something one should understand. It’s so, so open to you to understand. I mean, I cannot understand more obvious thing that this one is that it’s a parasitic living. And, you cannot have a parasites as your gurus. They can be parasites but not your gurus. That’s one of the things. And if you… [laughter] Continue Reading »