TV Interview ORF (Vienna, Austria ’88)

Question…If you look throughout the world, then more wars than ever, more people than ever.

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Interviewer: I personally would doubt that human society has ripened, or has improved. If you look throughout the world, then more wars than ever, more people than ever.
Shri Mataji: Yes, it is, it has to be, it has to be. It has to be at the worst time when we will be having.

It’s written down in the Nala Akhyana. Is there was one fellow called Nala, and his wife was separated by this Kali, the one who is ruling now. Kali is the modern times deity – Kali, Kali Yuga this is. And he caught hold of this Kali. He said, “I am going to kill you, because you are the one who puts us into confusions, into all demoralization and everything, so better I kill you.” He said, “See, I have also one importance.” “So what is your importance?” He said, “The importance is such that at the time when there will be Kali Yuga, I mean that’s the blackest time of Kali Yuga, that’s the time those who are seeking me in the hills and dales will become householders, and they’ll get their Realization.” He said it.

So this is the time, not only the time, but the maturity comes through witnessing all these things. That’s why they are taking to it. Why there is so much seeking today? Because they see all these things happening. So there are people who are just ready.

I agree with you, to look at, it looks horrible, like a pond full of worms. But I have seen lotuses coming out of it, fragrant lotuses, giving fragrance. You see the lotuses. And we have small little lotuses also. (Laughter) Quite a lot of them all over the world. You’d love to see them. The world can be easily changed. It’s difficult for people to understand that it is true. That’s the only trouble is. Because, you see, they – I don’t know in what world they live. I don’t know what – they don’t believe in it. Now see, these people are here. They are people who have been cured by – so many people have enjoyed Sahaja Yoga. But still it happens. I think it will come. It will happen. India is an easier place to work out Sahaja Yoga. Because they know about it, and they have felt it. They are more – they are not in, you see, they cannot do shopping, they cannot do guru shopping. Thank God we are not so rich. (Shri Mataji laughing & laughter) So all the gurus have come down here, you see, to lynch you nicely. (Laughter) And make you do this. But some of them have been really very cruel, I must say, very cruel people. The way they have destroyed, they have destroyed so many people, made so much money.

Interviewer: Sure [inaudible ].
Shri Mataji: Horrible, horrible, it is. So, you can’t make money out of it at all. And one gentleman who came from BBC told Me that Anglo-Saxon brain cannot understand anything without money. What do you say to that?

Interviewer: I think it’s not true.
Shri Mataji: It’s not true. Because how can it be? How much money did you pay to Christ? To anyone of the real saints, I am saying. But the whole system is like this working, what to do? I’m sure it will work out, I’m sure. It has to spread. And it will work out, no doubt. Look at the happiness on their faces when I say that. (Shri Mataji laughing & laughter)

Question: …is one of the signs of New Age that you are travelling around?

Interviewer: So would you see it as, I mean to come backWillaim Blake to the question of the New Age, is one of the signs of New Age that you are travelling around?
Shri Mataji: Nothing, this is the New Age I have started. You see, we had a very great artist from India who came here, he is a shennai player. He is a Muslim gentleman. He said, “These are all [Khalists ?], these are all pure people, Khalists people. So you are making a Khalistan here.” I said, “Yes, this is the Khalistan which Nanaka has described.” So he said, “What are they making?” I said, “You go and ask them what are they making? Where there is war and killing and all that going on, there is no Khalistan. These are Khalists, the pure people. And it’s described in all the prophecies.

In India there was a prophecy done by a very old astrologer. I think, he was the first – he is the pioneer of astrology. And he is the one who said, “Such and such time is going to come, and that Kundalini is going to be awakened, and that people are going to get this blessing, and this will be the New Age, and that people will become realized other people.” Even William Blake has so clearly said. William Blake has said, “God of men,” I mean, His prophecies are to such a detailed thing, that even in London where our Ashram will be he has described. To that extent. So it’s all there.

Question: Is this Kundalini the same like Atman?

Interviewer: So is this Kundalini the same like Atman?
Shri Mataji: No, Atma is Spirit in the heart. Now I’ll tell you from the another side, Shri Matajiso you will understand. See, we can say that God Almighty is reflected within your heart as Atma, all right? And the Kundalini is the power of God. She is desire that we all should get our Realization. She is reflected in you as Kundalini, as the Holy Ghost. So this Kundalini has to rise and meet the Atma, because though it is in the heart, the seat of Atma is here in the center, here in the fontanel bone area. That’s why She has to rise and touch it, so the connection is established.

Interviewer: For me it was unclear, because it is said that the Atman is the one which is inside you and always is awaiting that you discover it.
Shri Mataji: Yes that’s the way.

Interviewer: Yeah.
Shri Mataji: Now, I would give an analogy. In modern times we have lots of analogies. You can see in a gas, you see. Now the gas is the energy. For example. Let’s see the Kundalini is the energy, and there is a little light flickering. When this gas meets that light your attention becomes enlightened. Just an analogy up to a point you should see it.

Interviewer: I see an explosion happening when gas meets the light. This is exactly my question.
Shri Mataji: No, there is no explosion, no explosion, because they understand, they know. Actually you will be surprised how beautifully She works. How She comes into you. Like somebody has an obstruction on the Nabhi chakra. You’ll be surprised She pulsates, even in the triangular bone, just like a heart. And She suggests to you that this is the problem, now try to correct. Any problem She suggests, and She is so beautiful, the way She handles so gently your personality, She never wants to harm you in any way, if there’s too much obstruction She goes down.

Interviewer: You mean it’s a force that wants equilibrium?
Shri Mataji: Yes, you have to have balance, you have to have equilibrium. If the balance is upside down, if there is any obstruction because of that imbalances, She suggests, She tells you.

Question: Shri Mataji, would you say that every person being interested in Sahaja Yoga is mature to get this Realization from You?

Interviewer: Okay, now would you say that every person being interested in Sahaja Yoga is mature to get this Realization from You?

Shri Mataji: Not necessary. He can give Realization. He can give it, they are all doing it, not Me. In the beginning I gave it to some. And now they are doing it. It’s like one light which is enlightened can enlighten many. But to begin with it was Me, all right. (Shri Mataji laughing)

Question: And what is this technique (Sahaja Yoga Self-Realiszation) about?

Interviewer: And what is this technique (Sahaja Yoga Self-Realiszation) about?

Shri Mataji: It’s a very – depending on a person. Now see, we will take your case for example. (Shri Mataji laughing) You are a very busy person, one thing.

Interviewer (laughing): How do you know?

Shri Mataji: and you are very futuristic

Interviewer: Yes.

Shri Mataji: and you plan a lot, you think a lot. Such a person we call as a right-sided person. And you exhaust your right side energy much more.

So we have to fill in your right side energy. There’s a very simple method after Realization is to put your hand like this and – after Realization, not before that, and just to take the energy from the left side and put it on the right side, to fill you up. It’s very simple examples of movement of your fingers and hands – but after Realization, not before that. Before that it has no meaning. It is like if it is not connected to the mains, no use using this instrument.

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