TV Interview ORF (Vienna, Austria ’88)

Question: Is this Kundalini the same like Atman?

Interviewer: So is this Kundalini the same like Atman?
Shri Mataji: No, Atma is Spirit in the heart. Now I’ll tell you from the another side, Shri Matajiso you will understand. See, we can say that God Almighty is reflected within your heart as Atma, all right? And the Kundalini is the power of God. She is desire that we all should get our Realization. She is reflected in you as Kundalini, as the Holy Ghost. So this Kundalini has to rise and meet the Atma, because though it is in the heart, the seat of Atma is here in the center, here in the fontanel bone area. That’s why She has to rise and touch it, so the connection is established.

Interviewer: For me it was unclear, because it is said that the Atman is the one which is inside you and always is awaiting that you discover it.
Shri Mataji: Yes that’s the way.

Interviewer: Yeah.
Shri Mataji: Now, I would give an analogy. In modern times we have lots of analogies. You can see in a gas, you see. Now the gas is the energy. For example. Let’s see the Kundalini is the energy, and there is a little light flickering. When this gas meets that light your attention becomes enlightened. Just an analogy up to a point you should see it.

Interviewer: I see an explosion happening when gas meets the light. This is exactly my question.
Shri Mataji: No, there is no explosion, no explosion, because they understand, they know. Actually you will be surprised how beautifully She works. How She comes into you. Like somebody has an obstruction on the Nabhi chakra. You’ll be surprised She pulsates, even in the triangular bone, just like a heart. And She suggests to you that this is the problem, now try to correct. Any problem She suggests, and She is so beautiful, the way She handles so gently your personality, She never wants to harm you in any way, if there’s too much obstruction She goes down.

Interviewer: You mean it’s a force that wants equilibrium?
Shri Mataji: Yes, you have to have balance, you have to have equilibrium. If the balance is upside down, if there is any obstruction because of that imbalances, She suggests, She tells you.

Question: Shri Mataji, would you say that every person being interested in Sahaja Yoga is mature to get this Realization from You?

Interviewer: Okay, now would you say that every person being interested in Sahaja Yoga is mature to get this Realization from You?

Shri Mataji: Not necessary. He can give Realization. He can give it, they are all doing it, not Me. In the beginning I gave it to some. And now they are doing it. It’s like one light which is enlightened can enlighten many. But to begin with it was Me, all right. (Shri Mataji laughing)

Question: And what is this technique (Sahaja Yoga Self-Realiszation) about?

Interviewer: And what is this technique (Sahaja Yoga Self-Realiszation) about?

Shri Mataji: It’s a very – depending on a person. Now see, we will take your case for example. (Shri Mataji laughing) You are a very busy person, one thing.

Interviewer (laughing): How do you know?

Shri Mataji: and you are very futuristic

Interviewer: Yes.

Shri Mataji: and you plan a lot, you think a lot. Such a person we call as a right-sided person. And you exhaust your right side energy much more.

So we have to fill in your right side energy. There’s a very simple method after Realization is to put your hand like this and – after Realization, not before that, and just to take the energy from the left side and put it on the right side, to fill you up. It’s very simple examples of movement of your fingers and hands – but after Realization, not before that. Before that it has no meaning. It is like if it is not connected to the mains, no use using this instrument.

Question: …on what is called New Age

Interviewer: I am working on an issue on what is called New Age.
Shri Mataji: Oh, I see. Now this New Age people, I have read about them, because they came to this place called as Mind and Shri MatajiBody Exhibition in London. They invited Me also, but I didn’t go. Because you see that’s also a money-oriented business. And I don’t want to go this mind and thing where there is money business is going on in the name of God or in the name of Spirit or in the name of Evolution. So we didn’t go there. They are talking of clearing the chakras. You cannot clear chakras with effort, as I told you. Your Kundalini has to be awakened, and can be awakened only by a Realized soul who is authorized to do it. Otherwise Kundalini cannot be awakened. So basically the mistake lies that you cannot manoeuvre with your hands, if you try anything, even like acupuncture, if you try anything, then you develop imbalances within yourself.

Interviewer: And yoga tradition is different to this?
Shri Mataji: Yes, yoga tradition also we use, but according to the problems of our centers. Supposing now we have a problem here, and we start doing some exercises of the stomach. What’s the use? So we should know where is the problem. See, we have to be very alert about it to find out where is the problem.

Interviewer: But don’t you think that problem is everywhere? I mean, if you have seven Chakras then there you have seven problem areas? (Laughter)
Shri Mataji: No, areas are limited in certain people. It‘s not all the problems, then person won’t exist (Shri Mataji lauging) if all the chakras are caught up. It’s like taking all the medicines – Hatha Yoga, modern Hatha Yoga is like this. That you take all the medicines, all the drugs, (Shri Mataji laughing) whether you need it or not. That can be very dangerous. Specially I have seen people who do Hatha Yoga have a problem on the heart and also become very dry people, mostly they have emotional problems and also they have divorces. It’s very common, because they become very dry. Lot of, you see, imbalances coming.

Interviewer: I see what you mean, yeah.
Shri Mataji: They are not integrated people. It’s not only physical being that you live for. You live for your Spiritual being. Physical being is looked after by the Spiritual being later on once you are a Realized Soul. You don’t go to doctors after that. And so many diseases get cured automatically. So many people give up all their bad habits, like drugs, this that – automatically. I don’t have to do anything. It’s your own Kundalini, it’s your own power, it’s everything your own. Once you are awakened, you become your own guru. You don’t need a Guru either.

Question: Shri Mataji, how did you begin?

Interviewer: How did you begin?

Shri Mataji in IndiaShri Mataji: I was born like this. I was born with the same awareness as we call as a Self Realized Soul. But I knew that I’ve to do some job about it. To give Realization to one person is easy, but to give it to a mass is very difficult. So I had to understand human beings, how I could manage a en-masse Realization. And then I learnt it, found out, discovered it, and now I can give en-masse Realization. Specially in India even if there are 6000 people, at least 4000 people get Realization. But, how many look after their sprouted seed, is their look-out. You cannot force them. So, some of them do become great trees, but some are very slow.

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