TV Interview ORF (Vienna, Austria ’88)

Question: So, you are talking about God as a real entity, as an existing entity.

Interviewer: So, you are talking about God as a real entity, as an existing entity. God, I mean, is existing, is something for you?
Shri Mataji: Of course.

Interviewer: Yes.
Shri Mataji: Of course He exists.

Interviewer: Excuse me that I’m asking this [it was not clear for me ?].
Shri Mataji: No, no, it’s correct, it’s correct, it’s correct. No, no, what I am saying is true.

But I would say in modern times, as Buddha didn’t want to talk about God, I didn’t talk about God for at least two years. Tried to avoid, because in modern times if you talk about God half of the people would leave the hall. But gradually now I convinced them about the existence of God, God exists.

Shri MatajiYou have ask just a question, it’s like a computer when you are a Realized Soul. Ask a question. If you say, “Mother, is there God?” Vibrations start coming. Supposing, relatively you see (Shri Mataji laughing & laughter), you put your hands and ask me a question, that’s it. Now you ask another question, like say, supposing somebody comes before me, they start shaking like this. And you say that you are following a false guru, that’s why you are shaking. Then the person will say, “How do you say, that because I am shaking maybe because I have my powers.” So you get another one who’s suffering from lunatic asylum, coming from lunacy, you see, you ask him – he will also shake. So relatively you see what you are. It has happened many a times with us, you see.

In Poona, they’ve said that, “You are not a Brahmin,” and all that. But they never told me, these boys never told me. We were having a program. And suddenly I said, “Who are Brahmins among you?” So five, six of them came and sat before me, “We are Brahmins.” I said, “All right, you are Brahmins, now put your hands towards me.” They started shaking like this. So I said, “Why are you shaking?” So, of course being Indians they said, “Because You are Shakti so we are shaking.” I said, “All right, but why are you shaking, nobody is shaking except for you?” They said, “See, the others are shaking there.” I asked them who are they. So, they said, “We are certified mad people from a lunatic asylum, have come because one person has been cured by You.” (Shri Mataji laughing) So the Brahmins kept all right. This is what it is. (Laughter) I must say the Divine comes to my help, you know. Otherwise these fanatics they think no end of themselves. They think God is in their pockets.

Interviewer: Okay.
Shri Mataji: I am happy you are for New Age. But try to understand where is the New Age. Everything has a camouflage. Everything has a camouflage. When I went to America, people told me that, “Mother, you better get your copyright.” I said, “What copyright?” “You must get copyright, otherwise they will use Your words.“ I said, “Let them use it, it’s a very good idea. Why should I take credit for anything? Let them use.” So they are saying vibrations, they are talking chakras, they are talking this. But what about Kundalini rising? – They can’t do it. They can’t do it. That’s the only point. They are using all my words, if you listen to My lectures long time back, you see, they are using all my words, they are using all my knowledge, everything. But that’s superficial. That’s all superficial. You have to have your Realization. And there is no harm. You take your Realization and you give Realizations to others. But if you want to make money with my words, if you want to make an organization with my words, then I can’t help you, I am sorry. That’s it.

Question: What is the place of morality in your system?

Interviewer: What is the place of morality in your Shri Matajisystem?
Shri Mataji: It’s innate. It’s innate. I don’t have to tell you, “Don’t do this, don’t do that,” it’s all innate with you. As soon as you get the light you drop the snakes. That’s all. You don’t have to ask Me, it just works out. The morality part works by itself, it’s innate. You know that this if do I’ll lose my vibrations. It’s just innate. You become moral without My telling you.

Interviewer: I see. Now this is really a completely different way than the tradition says because tradition says, it is a very hard way,
Shri Mataji: No, no.

Interviewer: It’s a very hard way –
Shri Mataji: No, no.

Interviewer: and you have to behave in certain ways.
Shri Mataji: No, no.

Interviewer: Yama and Niyama.
Shri Mataji: Yama Niyama is all right, because this was thousands of years back, you see. Hatha Yoga started thousands of years back. For that they used to select one or two persons for Realization. At the why is herpes contagious time of Rama, this was one only Nachiketa who went to . He was the only person who could give Realization. And also Nachiketa he made him run up and down, he hung a sword on his head , did everything, (Shri Mataji laughing) and then he gave him Realization. So it was a different thing. Today the time is different, as I say it’s the Blossomtime, times have changed.

Interviewer: And you mean they have improved?
Shri Mataji: You see, we have ripened. We have matured. You have gone through all those experiences. We have done all Hatha Yoga, everything – in last lives. And now this is the time for you to get your fruits.

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