Question: What can you say to them about how to become a realized soul, how to achieve this Cool Breeze?
Interviewer: The listeners who will be tuning in to this program on the radio won’t have had the experience of being in Your presence. Some of them may have who were in this room. What can you say to them about how to become a realized soul, how to achieve this Cool Breeze that comes from…
Shri Mataji: At the beginning of My lecture, if you tell them that they should put their hands towards the radio. Just on the radio. They might feel the If they don’t feel it, then tell them to put the right hand first till they feel the cool breeze, and left hand up as if ventilating out. And, then the left hand towards the radio and the right hand up. It might work out because it has worked in Hong Kong. [laughter]
Interviewer: I’ll tell You something interesting. I interviewed Danny and Doug (Sahaja Yogis) before You came so that listeners would have a chance to come here. And, one of them called me and said that he went into meditation in the afternoon and felt the Cool Breeze just by hearing them talk.
Shri Mataji: See, if Sahaja Yogis can do it then when I’m talking it should happen. [laughter]
SHRI MATAJI: You see, if you get angry within yourself, and if you are sure that you are not doing anything wrong, for a Sahaja Yogi there is no need to say “outside you are angry.” There’s no need. That anger itself is a power. And you should do your bandhan and anything that you want to do. But you should not show that you’re angry. You should be absolutely silent, because you can be, you are in the axis; you are not on the periphery. Actually the anger is just to see your anger, and use that anger for that purpose. And once you start doing that, that anger will itself work out. That anger will itself work out the person. And you’ll be amazed, how it … But you must learn to see your anger that is working. All these things are important.
You have seen that sometimes only shouting at the bhoots they go away, and many mad people have been cured like that. But you don’t do all that, that’s for Me. You must be always decent, with decorum and all that.
But if the anger is because of your nature or a tendency or out of control, then it’s a bad thing. If it is out of control, then it’s a bad thing. If you get into a temper because it is out of control, then it’s a bad thing. I can get very angry but I am completely under control. I know why I am angry, where the bhoot is, how he’s running away, I can see that. But you can’t see the bhoot, you can’t see anything. So there is no need for you to get angry, show temper.
But if you have an anger, say for example which makes you uncontrollable, then there is a mantra for that: Shanti. “Ya Devi sarva bhuteshu, Shanti rupena samsthita.” You must ask for that bliss, for that peace. This is a mantra for you. For controlling your temper, you have to tell yourself, “Ya Devi sarva bhuteshu, Shanti rupena samsthita.” So Shanti is the point, the axis point is that from where you witness everything. You are in Shanti, you are in complete peace. You are not in a turmoil, even if you are angry. You are not in a turmoil. Whatever is angry is the power, and the power is taking charge.
But unless and until that is achieved, what you have to do is to put yourself in a position that you are peaceful. So I think that’s a very good mantra is to say, “Ya Devi sarva bhuteshu, Shanti rupena samsthita.” Can you say that? (The audience recites the mantra).
So the Shanti is your fort. But peacefulness never means cowardice. Never call cowardice as peace. A person who is peaceful is never coward, because nothing can transgress it, nothing can overpower it. It is never, never possible that cowardice and peace can go together.
But your power is inside, not outside. So you don’t show your power of your anger outside. But just a little anger with anybody, you will see it will work out. But first establish that position within you where you are the axis, where you do not allow anger to sit on your head. That is the growth. That’s the growth that you are at peace.
Also, another question? All right? Satisfied now?
Both ways you should know – that one is the anger that is detached, is perfectly all right. Anger which involves you, work it out. So judge yourself, as to what it is.
Question: I have tried to go into spiritualism in the real sense of the word.
Shri Mataji: Some gentleman has done spiritualism in the real sense of the word, and his health is deteriorating. I have told you already what is the reason for that is – you take to spiritualism out of ignorance. There’s no spiritualism. There is no “ism” with God. Spirit cannot be “ismized”. So, you take to Sahaja Yoga. Become your Spirit. You cannot “ism” it. That’s one thing you cannot “ism.” You can have “isms” in everything. But Spirit is detached. It cannot be put into “isms.” So those who say “spiritualism” must know they have done wrong. All right? You come to Sahaja Yoga and forget it. I know I am sorry for that. You are misled but God is there and Spirit is there. In Sahaja Yoga we promise you that. Whatever mistakes you have done, it can be corrected.
I would say that whatever I said today, you must take the tape and listen to it at home. I’ve said all these things already. But your attention should have been there. Now you take a tape from these people. Listen to it. I’ve said the same thing which you are telling – that these are the problems of a big person who goes to these things and how he gets into problems. All right? So then you come to Sahaja Yoga. I know you are a seeker. And, if you are a seeker, that will be given to you. That’s your right to have it.
May God bless you.
Question: You talk about our habits and weakness and how to overcome that. Can You talk a little bit more about it?
Shri Mataji: See, we are weak because we are ignorant first of all. As I told you, we are holding the snake and there’s darkness and in that darkness we don’t see that this is going to bite us. But, when you become enlightened, you become a very powerful, dynamic person, absolutely. And you separate yourself from your habits. You see it very clearly. Then you don’t talk that “I have this habit or that habit.” You don’t say like that.
Like a person would come and say, “Mother, you know, my Agnya is catching; this chakra is catching. That means I have too much ego.”
But they don’t say, “I have ego.” I mean if you tell somebody, “You have ego,” they’ll hit you hard, isn’t it? But if a person gets it, he feels it. And he says, “Mother, I have too much problem with the Agnya Chakra so please clear it up.”
So, if you have any habits – say supposing there are people who used to take drugs. In the beginning I had horrible people in England, about seven of them, all drug addicts and things. Of course, very well-educated, professors and things, but all drug addicts, hippies and violent people, really. When they came to Me, it was not easy to handle them. But they are today the foundation of Sahaja Yoga. Wonderful people they are. Now what happened, they said, “We want to get rid of it but we can’t. We just can’t help it.”
But you will be amazed, overnight they gave up, overnight. Just it happens because you see the light and you throw the snake, just happens. You don’t have to think about it, just happens. I never tell them these Ten Commandments – don’t do this, don’t do that. Don’t tell them. Just it works from within. Why should I tell them? Why should I give them a lecture? There’s no need. They themselves become their own master and the mastery is that the master cures and gives you powers. You develop that dignity; it’s remarkable what happens. To Me, it’s not a surprise because I know what you are. You are so glorious.
It’s like you take a small little, say a television to a remote corner of India and in some village and show them and say that “Here is a place, this box will show you all the kinds of music and all kinds of dramas and this.”
They say, “What? This box? How is it going to work out?”
And, you put it to the mains and it starts working and they say, “It’s fantastic.”
It’s like that. We are fantastic, we are glorious but we have yet to be connected, that’s all. It just happens, you don’t have to force yourself, you don’t have to do anything. It just works. The inner force works it out.
(From Radio Interview 1983 Oct 01, Santa Cruz USA)
Interviewer: ShriMataji, You are called “Mother.” And, it seems in the Hindu tradition there’s a special context or meaning of the word “Mother.” What is this meaning?
Shri Mataji: You see, in the Indian philosophy, even in the Christian philosophy it is so, but it has been little bit changed. If you read the books of Essene, you will find they have described the “Mother.” You see, the Holy Ghost is the Mother. When they say about the Holy Ghost, She is the Mother. But how can you have… You must reason it out. How can you have a father and a son without a mother? [laughter] It’s a, you see, simple thing like that. You see, so it’s the Mother only. Holy Ghost is very important. So, Holy Ghost is the Mother, you see. It’s absurd thing, I mean, to have such a thing. Even homosexuals cannot have children. It’s funny thing, isn’t it. Absolutely absurd! But Christians accepted this. I don’t know why. Why didn’t they go into find out what is this Holy Ghost business is? They said, “It’s a mystery.” How can you say it’s a mystery? When you cannot explain then better not say anything about it. So, Holy Ghost is something hanging in the air. No one knows; it’s a mystery, and the rest of it is the father and the son. It’s absurd!
Now, the principle of Mother is in every, every scripture – has to be there. Now, the Mother’s character is that She is the One Who is the Womb, She is the One Who is the Mother Earth and She is the One Who nourishes you. She nourishes us, you know that. And, this feminine thing in every human being resides as this Kundalini, as you have seen. And, when She rises, She gives you this new awareness which becomes compassion, which is flowing, which becomes soothing, nourishing energy of love. And, that’s what today people are saying feminist this thing and all that. That’s again a pendulum – a man becoming a woman, woman becoming man – all this problem there are because of this. But when you move spirally upward, then where do you move? You become a personality full of compassion, of love, of universal understanding through collective consciousness. And, then you rise up to a position where you become universally conscious. So, that is what should happen to you, and if that happens then we should say that your motherly qualities within you have risen and that’s what we have so far neglected. You do not become a woman but you become motherly. First the father, then the son, and now the mother! All right?