Question: In order to develop realization, if you’re not living somewhere close to where there is a center then what do we do?
Shri Mataji: There’s no need to depend on me. We have people here who are experts, who have really become masters. And, they will definitely help you so it doesn’t matter. I am always with you. Whenever you think of me, you’ll know I am with you and you can always write to me. There’s nothing to feel that I’m away from you, that … maybe that is the reason people don’t go further with it. But as you trust me, you trust yourself. You must trust yourself. You must have faith in yourself that you are quite capable and you can do it. You can do it and that there are people who will help you. They are very humble, sweet, beautiful people. You will like them and they’ll all help you till you become perfect. Such love, I tell you.
Children are the best, children are the best for Sahaja Yoga. They take to Sahaja Yoga in no time. Most of the children these days are born realized and we have to just understand them. So many children are born realized. Children are the best to understand Sahaja Yoga, to work it out and they just of a very high level, I should say. Like the other day there was a child who was receiving a phone. He said, “Oh, it’s all right. You are not a yogi.” Puts it down the phone.
So I said, “How do you know?”
“Mother, he had no vibrations. How could I know? Why should I talk to him? Let it be, I put down the phone.”
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SHRI MATAJI: You see, if you get angry within yourself, and if you are sure that you are not doing anything wrong, for a Sahaja Yogi there is no need to say “outside you are angry.” There’s no need. That anger itself is a power. And you should do your bandhan and anything that you want to do. But you should not show that you’re angry. You should be absolutely silent, because you can be, you are in the axis; you are not on the periphery. Actually the anger is just to see your anger, and use that anger for that purpose. And once you start doing that, that anger will itself work out. That anger will itself work out the person. And you’ll be amazed, how it … But you must learn to see your anger that is working. All these things are important.
You have seen that sometimes only shouting at the bhoots they go away, and many mad people have been cured like that. But you don’t do all that, that’s for Me. You must be always decent, with decorum and all that.
But if the anger is because of your nature or a tendency or out of control, then it’s a bad thing. If it is out of control, then it’s a bad thing. If you get into a temper because it is out of control, then it’s a bad thing. I can get very angry but I am completely under control. I know why I am angry, where the bhoot is, how he’s running away, I can see that. But you can’t see the bhoot, you can’t see anything. So there is no need for you to get angry, show temper.
But if you have an anger, say for example which makes you uncontrollable, then there is a mantra for that: Shanti. “Ya Devi sarva bhuteshu, Shanti rupena samsthita.” You must ask for that bliss, for that peace. This is a mantra for you. For controlling your temper, you have to tell yourself, “Ya Devi sarva bhuteshu, Shanti rupena samsthita.” So Shanti is the point, the axis point is that from where you witness everything. You are in Shanti, you are in complete peace. You are not in a turmoil, even if you are angry. You are not in a turmoil. Whatever is angry is the power, and the power is taking charge.
But unless and until that is achieved, what you have to do is to put yourself in a position that you are peaceful. So I think that’s a very good mantra is to say, “Ya Devi sarva bhuteshu, Shanti rupena samsthita.” Can you say that? (The audience recites the mantra).
So the Shanti is your fort. But peacefulness never means cowardice. Never call cowardice as peace. A person who is peaceful is never coward, because nothing can transgress it, nothing can overpower it. It is never, never possible that cowardice and peace can go together.
But your power is inside, not outside. So you don’t show your power of your anger outside. But just a little anger with anybody, you will see it will work out. But first establish that position within you where you are the axis, where you do not allow anger to sit on your head. That is the growth. That’s the growth that you are at peace.
Also, another question? All right? Satisfied now?
Both ways you should know – that one is the anger that is detached, is perfectly all right. Anger which involves you, work it out. So judge yourself, as to what it is.
Question: Do we have to change our lifestyle in Sahaja Yoga?
Shri Mataji: No, not the lifestyle, you see when you do what is needed for you, what is good for you , nobody has to change dresses or anything it’s nothing outside. But supposing you see now if I tell somebody now don’t wear such tight dresses, nobody would listen, because they will wear varicose veins and this all had happened. Then now they’re wearing very, very loose ones.
Now in England there was a fashion came up when people were having holey pants with the holes. Imagine, I mean it’s such a cold country to have holes in it, I mean, it’s stupidity isn’t it? But nobody will listen and also these people came with punks and this and that, and if you talk to them they’ll say: “What’s wrong?” So, best thing is to raise their Kundalini then they themselves understand what’s wrong with them.
Nothing has to be changed as such outside, but you yourself take to things which are sensible, which are wise, which are good for you, you yourself take to it, I don’t have to tell you anything about it.
Question – How can you compartmentalize? What happens when a person is a realized soul? What is the state? When he is a realized soul, what happens to a man?
Shri Mataji: See, the first thing is to say that “how can we compartmentalize it?” because is the ego and super ego is on two sides. Actually, have you not noticed in our body, everything is a compartment. You see even a cell is a compartment. Everything has a boundary. It’s not some sort of a … even the blood has to pass through the channels. It has to go through these arteries. Everything is a compartment. There’s nothing like something just left there like a pulp. If it becomes the pulp, you won’t exist. So, everything is in compartment. It’s ego and super ego are like balloons and they are two balloons which can press each other, which can flow on one side.
Now see the , is placed like this on the left hand side more, and this one on the right hand side is the super ego. Still the ego when it increases in size it starts moving on the right hand side and the super ego, when it starts moving, it starts moving this way. So everything is in a compartment in our body. You are sadly mistaken if you think there’s anything is in a pulp, nothing. Or something like a air flowing in. Nothing like that. Everything has a channel. Everything is in a compartment.
Q: Is the Kundalini the same force that exists all around us as the Chinese call Chi?
SHRI MATAJI: Ya, ya. It’s true. But you see, it is, it has something to do with that, and that is what is our ego and super-ego.
The Chinese what they have written, it’s correct. But Chinese also don’t know who is Lao-Tse, can you imagine? Lao-Tse is the man who talked about this thing, He’s the one who told them about Kundalini and they don’t know who is Lao-Tse. Especially in America, I don’t know what sort of Chinese live here. It’s such a great source of knowledge, and what they have said is a perfect thing. But everything gets integrated in Sahaja Yoga. All the knowledge, all the scriptures, everything gets integrated. Absolutely integrated because out of light you see the truth in all of them. There is truth in everything, there is truth in every religion. But religion now has become money-oriented, or also power-oriented, so it’s gone off.
But actually if you go to the roots of it, it is all the same. For example, take the case of Kosovo. Now there these Muslims wanted to have a separate state. It’s not necessary, why do they want to have a separate state? You see everywhere where they were trying separate state, even in our country, they all are suffering. It seems even in the same state they could have done it. All right, they said it. But one thing one should understand, that in democracy, how can you have a state based on religion? You cannot, despite that they wanted to have. Now what did they get? Did they get their separate state? They became refugees, poor things starving, for two years they cannot go back to their houses and homes. Because there was no discretion. If you want to help them, best thing is to give realization to everyone.
Then all Muslims, all Christians, all Hindus, all of them become Sahaja Yogis. They respect each other. They have to become Sahaja Yogis. No use becoming Christian, Hindus, Muslims, because that means fighting and in Italy we had a little discussion and they said that, “We don’t want to have one global religion.” We have a global religion because innately we are religious. If you know what that innate religion is then you will become global. But they don’t want, because they want to fight. If there is one religion global, we all are there, respecting all the religions and all the incarnations and all the principles of religion, supposing, then how would you fight? On what basis will you fight? This is the problem, we have to go beyond these limitations which are created. We can say created by human beings only.
Human beings are good at spoiling everything I feel that way. You see, if you go in a forest it’s so clean, so nice, all the birds are there, all the animals are there, the lions are there, tigers are there. You may not find anything stinking, but you send one man there the whole place will be stinking (LAUGHTER). That is what we have done to religion also. don’t know how many bifurcations we have of religions, how can you have? There’s one God, how can there be so many religions? And just fighting in the name of religion is stupidity, because they don’t know. If there’s innate religion within you, the innate, which is so much encompassing the whole world.
Now see Sufis are Muslims, what they write? They right nothing but Sahaja Yoga. What Christ wrote was Sahaja Yoga, what Mohammed Sahib wrote was Sahaja Yoga. They didn’t write all these nonsensical things that people are doing. But they don’t read even Koran, you’d be surprised. They don’t even read Bible in proper way, or some people just go on reading words, words, words, words. How can you get into it? You must read within the lines. Yet they don’t do, and then they start fighting. It’s so absurd, the whole thing is, that next generation will not believe in any one of these organizations based on religion, I can tell you. But they might take to something also very bad.
So the best thing is to get to the roots of it and find out. So many things are said to explain, according to times also, but how many people really know the roots of religion? They are all one, coming from the same tree, there’s nothing to fight. Have you ever seen one branch of the tree fighting with another? It’s as absurd as that, to me I can’t understand. It’s not possible. For us to fight with each other, for what are we fighting? We are part and parcel of one whole. How can we fight, it’s very unnatural, which is very dangerous also. As I said, a tree, on a tree there are so many leaves and they are all different. You won’t find another leaf repeating itself. But they never fight with each other do they? Why should we, the human beings fight, in the name of God? They make money in the name of God. They fight in the name of God. They do all kinds of things in the name of God, now what do you say what sort of a God it is? How much we have brought glory to the name of God? All right?
So we have to know that innate religion within us, which is in everyone. All of us have that innate religion, we may call it by any name. It’s a pure, global religion we can call it. Which is within all of us, it’s a fact, I’m telling you a fact. Otherwise you start fighting for this, fighting for that, then what will happen? That’s what I said this is the last judgment, and this last judgment is really going to make the difference between the people who have got self-realization and who haven’t got it. Last judgment we are not going to put on the balance to find out who is thinner and who is fatter, no. It is what have you got within yourself. What light you have got within yourself and you must have proper understanding that your value of your human life is very great. It is not something frivolous, cheapish, it’s very great and you can help the whole world to emancipate. All right? [Audience applauses ]