Q: Once you become Self-Realized how do you maintain it?
Shri Mataji: I used to think that once you get Self-Realization you are Self Realized you see. But it’s not so, I must face the facts as it is.
Once you get your Realization, of course you do feel all the time the cool breeze and all that. But there are problems on your centers, on your chakras, which you can feel on your fingertips. You can see yourself, I said self-knowledge, so you can see yourself what problems you have, you can feel the problems on yourself. Immediately you say “All right, this is the problem.” And that problem you want to correct yourself because you see yourself. I’m surprised sometimes people come and tell me, “Mother, my Agnya (sixth centre) is very bad, please, please correct it.” That means “Mother, I’ve very egoistical.”
Normally nobody would say I’m egoistical will they? Nobody. But once they get self-realization they see the problem, they love themselves, they see themselves in that love, they say that why not I get myself corrected. Then of course it has to be worked out a little bit, like even if the seed sprouts, it has to grow. It doesn’t take much time.
Within one month’s time, most of the people become masters. They can give realization, they can tell them, anybody. You need not be very well educated, nothing, I’ve seen in the villages, people work it out so fast. So I can’t say exactly how much time it will take but I’ve seen people becoming masters within one month’s time. And you don’t have to pay throughout. It’s very important to understand.
Q: Is there a difference between the awakening and Self-Realisation?
Shri Mataji: Yes. Very good question. There is a difference between awakening and realization, it’s true.
It awakens, it passes, you can see with your naked eyes in many people when there is obstruction, you can see. It passes through various chakras, you can see. In some people it is so slow moving, otherwise it takes just split of a second. But if there’s an obstruction you can see it and the awakening has taken place.
But the breaking of the Sahasrara is the realization where you get cool breeze in the hands. If you don’t get cool breeze in the hands at least you must get cool breeze here. Minimum. But sometimes this center is very bad in many people. Then you don’t feel it in the hands but you must feel it here. But still, it’s just the beginning, just the germination.
Like Christ has said that some seeds fell down here and some seeds fell there. It happens like that. So awakening is not the end of it. It’s just the beginning. It has started and then realization is established.
First, when the Kundalini goes over these chakras you get a state called thoughtless awareness, where there’s no thought in your mind. It’s very easy to get. This is the center of Christ. It goes above that. When it passes through all these centers of Moses and Abraham and all that, it passes through the center of Christ and it passes through this Brahmarandra, fontanel bone, then you get your baptism, then you feel the cool breeze in the hands. But, it may be sucked back into the places where there’s a problem because with me I’ve seen people get it just like that. It flows like a great … river, in flood. It happens. But then, sometimes it comes back. But once it is awakened, it is awakened, you have to learn how to establish it. It’s a very good question, my child. You have to know about it
Question: What can you say to them about how to become a realized soul, how to achieve this Cool Breeze?
Interviewer: The listeners who will be tuning in to this program on the radio won’t have had the experience of being in Your presence. Some of them may have who were in this room. What can you say to them about how to become a realized soul, how to achieve this Cool Breeze that comes from…
Shri Mataji: At the beginning of My lecture, if you tell them that they should put their hands towards the radio. Just on the radio. They might feel the If they don’t feel it, then tell them to put the right hand first till they feel the cool breeze, and left hand up as if ventilating out. And, then the left hand towards the radio and the right hand up. It might work out because it has worked in Hong Kong. [laughter]
Interviewer: I’ll tell You something interesting. I interviewed Danny and Doug (Sahaja Yogis) before You came so that listeners would have a chance to come here. And, one of them called me and said that he went into meditation in the afternoon and felt the Cool Breeze just by hearing them talk.
Shri Mataji: See, if Sahaja Yogis can do it then when I’m talking it should happen. [laughter]
Interviewer: What’s the role of the artist in this work, this Sahaja Yoga? (An artist, artistic work like music… )
Shri Mataji: Oh, great, great! Tremendous it is! You see, those people who have been realized souls have created eternal art. Like we can say, Michelangelo was a realized soul. So his work is eternal art. And, they produce art which creates vibrations. You can feel vibrations from him. In the whole church if you go you feel horrid, but when you go to Sistine Chapel (photo) and see his work, the whole thing fills you up with vibrations. They are creators of vibrations. Imagine! The musicians like Mozart – Mozart creates vibrations but Wagner… [laughter]
You see. So, they are the people who are realized souls. You have some tennis players who are realized souls also, perhaps you…
Interviewer: Tennis players?
Shri Mataji: Yah! MacEnroe is a realized soul and Borg is also. And, My grandchild told Me, “You know, why Borg has retired? Because another Sahaja Yogi has come now, the younger one, so give chance to him and that’s why he is very honorably retired.” [laughter]
Is because when MacEnroe speaks, you must have seen, he tells himself “John, now behave yourself.”
They are in the third person. And, that’s why people don’t understand him and he doesn’t like to be insulted. And, that’s very true. Anybody who is a saint doesn’t like him to be insulted. So, like that you have so many people who are realized souls, we can say. Even the Princess of Wales (photo) is a realized soul and the new child is a realized soul. So, there are so many people like that who are realized souls.
Interviewer: I am working on an issue on what is called New Age.
Shri Mataji: Oh, I see. Now this New Age people, I have read about them, because they came to this place called as Mind and Body Exhibition in London. They invited Me also, but I didn’t go. Because you see that’s also a money-oriented business. And I don’t want to go this mind and thing where there is money business is going on in the name of God or in the name of Spirit or in the name of Evolution. So we didn’t go there. They are talking of clearing the chakras. You cannot clear chakras with effort, as I told you. Your Kundalini has to be awakened, and can be awakened only by a Realized soul who is authorized to do it. Otherwise Kundalini cannot be awakened. So basically the mistake lies that you cannot manoeuvre with your hands, if you try anything, even like acupuncture, if you try anything, then you develop imbalances within yourself.
Interviewer: And yoga tradition is different to this?
Shri Mataji: Yes, yoga tradition also we use, but according to the problems of our centers. Supposing now we have a problem here, and we start doing some exercises of the stomach. What’s the use? So we should know where is the problem. See, we have to be very alert about it to find out where is the problem.
Interviewer: But don’t you think that problem is everywhere? I mean, if you have seven Chakras then there you have seven problem areas? (Laughter)
Shri Mataji: No, areas are limited in certain people. It‘s not all the problems, then person won’t exist (Shri Mataji lauging) if all the chakras are caught up. It’s like taking all the medicines – Hatha Yoga, modern Hatha Yoga is like this. That you take all the medicines, all the drugs, (Shri Mataji laughing) whether you need it or not. That can be very dangerous. Specially I have seen people who do Hatha Yoga have a problem on the heart and also become very dry people, mostly they have emotional problems and also they have divorces. It’s very common, because they become very dry. Lot of, you see, imbalances coming.
Interviewer: I see what you mean, yeah.
Shri Mataji: They are not integrated people. It’s not only physical being that you live for. You live for your Spiritual being. Physical being is looked after by the Spiritual being later on once you are a Realized Soul. You don’t go to doctors after that. And so many diseases get cured automatically. So many people give up all their bad habits, like drugs, this that – automatically. I don’t have to do anything. It’s your own Kundalini, it’s your own power, it’s everything your own. Once you are awakened, you become your own guru. You don’t need a Guru either.