Q: Once you get self-realization you know yourself, but who is going to correct the injustice in the world? Who is going to become the leader? Who will change the world where there is injustice, where there is discrimination, where there is hatred? If you are saying forget about the hatred, who is going to come forward? If I become self-realized and then forget the hatred then who’s going to come forward and change the world where there’s injustice, where there’s a crime, where there’s a harassment?
Shri Mataji: Ah, correct, that’s the worry I have. This hatred and all this, comes through ignorance. We have ignorance, and once you start getting into this great ocean of love, it starts just disappearing from you, to begin with and from others also, who have got realization.
Now they say that Sahaja Yoga is working in seventy-two countries and we have seminars in India sometimes and sometimes in Italy where the people from all these countries come. I have never seen them criticizing each other. Of course they have great fun, they enjoy, but never seen complaining or doing anything wrong to each other. Because now they have become all one.
It’s the last judgment, this is the time of last judgment. If you want to remain as you are, you’ll remain, nobody can force you. But, if you want to rise to that level, you’ll be amazed, you’ll have friends all over the world. Not ordinary friends, but real, real friends.
So, just to get rid of this hatred and all nonsense what do we have to do? Think this hatred comes from where? It comes from human beings. So, we have to transform them. If they are transformed, things will be all right.
Question: Am I correct that what you’re saying is that God and man are one and you are just trying to reconnect us with God, and for that one cannot pay, or be nonsensical, they just have to have a clear and open mind..
Shri Mataji: Yeah, that’s it. That’s it.
Question: That’s all?
Shri Mataji: That’s it’s. She’s understood me very well I must say. That’s it. That’s it. Just what you need an open mind and another thing you need a little bit because I think we save time to waste it so we have to save time little bit to pay attention to our ascent. Little bit, not much, little bit time we must give and we must develop ourselves, first just the sprouting of the seed takes place then we have to fix it up properly and that takes hardly a month and you can become all of you can become great gurus. He’s a big guru but look at his dress and all that you can’t believe. He knows everything about Kundalini, but you can’t make it out from him you see we are normal people, very normal.
Question: How can we practice this system?
Shri Mataji: Yes. Now there are no exercises madam nothing it just spontaneously happens to you and you get it there. Little bit of course I’ll tell you how to raise it again and again today only but then we have to a very nice center here and we have very good Sahaj Yogis and you’re welcome to come there and they will teach you each and everything.
(Editor: Location of international meditation centres are located here http://www.sahajayoga.org/worldwidecontacts/default.asp)
Audience member from public lecture: What is the reason for having dreams?
Shri Mataji: The reason for dreams is that when you are sleeping your attention moves either to the supraconscious side or to the subconscious side, your attention starts moving. And then you start seeing things which are connected with your subconscious or your collective subconscious and all this thing. And you may go onto supraconscious side where you see your future and all this thing. But the reason why you get dreams actually is that the unconscious, which is within you, or you can say the Kundalini or your Atma is trying to guide you to the right path. And how does it guide you to the right path? Is through dreams. But these are misunderstood.
How do you understand these dreams because you are so confused. First you go deep into yourself and you touch the unconscious – sushupti stithi. But from there you come out. And then when you are coming out, you touch your subconscious or maybe supraconscious. So whatever anubhuti you had, or whatever experience you had, of the depths of the sushupti gets confused and you don’t know what you dreamt, and you don’t understand and you forget it. But those who are realized souls go to their sushupti and see exactly what they have to know.
Like many people in Bombay when I came, they didn’t know I was coming but they were at the airport because they got the dream. So at this sushupti level, at the deep level you get the communication with God if you know how to go in and come out fully aware. But if you get confused with supraconscious or subconscious areas or if you start, your chitta i (Attention) is not so clear-cut, then there can be a big confusion.
Shri Mataji: In the evolutionary process a human being has come out of a small little unicellular animal called Amoeba as they say in the science. But what is the purpose of this becoming a human being? The purpose of his becoming a human being is that he has to become the spirit. This vehicle of a human body, mind, is to express the spirit within you. Self realization is the epitome of our evolution. So we all have to become self realized. Without self we are in darkness. We are not aware of the all pervading power which is doing all the living work. All kinds of living work things we can not do. What we do is the dead work or the mental projections which recoil back upon ourselves. We must get to self realization that’s the goal of human ascent from amoeba to this stage.
Q: There’s one school of thought that describes enlightenment as a static process. What you’ve described is a dynamic process.
Shri Mataji: Yes. It is not static. How can that be? It’s a living process. You see, you become collectively conscious, you become that. You see, you become really dynamic because your awareness has a new dimension. You become collectively conscious. You start feeling another personality; you start feeling your self; you start getting the power how to raise the Kundalini; you don’t know how many powers you get.
It’s like this: that you have, say, a big, huge television – now if I say there is music here, song here, drama here … you say, ‘No we can’t see anything.’ You bring the television and put it to the mains, you see the miracle. That’s what you are. You are really dynamic individuals …. Dynamic is not the word. There is no word to describe how you are made. It’s so beautifully done. Once you are put to the mains all your power starts flowing. There’s no end to it. It’s all miracle, so wonderful.
I wish you could see one of my photographs that they have taken, which you will not be able to explain. I think next time I’ll bring it along. It’s … you become so dynamic. If … a person, if you have seen my book ‘Advent’ is a person – very ordinary person – he was a gardener. He got his realization and he had never handled a camera, or he did not know how to handle a camera. He once took a camera and took my photograph. And that is, such a wonderful photograph he has taken. And since then he discovered he can take photographs very well; he can paint very well; he can sing very well and you become really so dynamic and ex…inexhaustible. Go on producing like that…
But still human beings as they are, they are yet caught up with the ego, caught up with the superego; so we must know how to get rid of it and I must say Mohammed-Sahib is the one who has told us lots of things, lots of secrets and how to get rid of these things. They all have added to the knowledge of Sahaja Yoga to such an extent that really we should have gratitude for all of them.