Interviewer: What is your tradition. I mean the tradition of Sahaja Yoga, since when does it exist as an idea?
Shri Mataji: I think from times immemorial, because this is the only way you can raise Kundalini, by a Realized Soul. But used to be only once – one person, maybe two persons maybe. Like we can say the Tree of Life had one or two flowers to begin with. But today is a Blossomtime. That’s what I am taking advantage of.
Interviewer: Yes. There is no founder or something, some mythical person?
Shri Mataji: No, no, no, nothing mythical, no, nothing mythical. But Nanaka has talked about it. Kabira has talked about it. Adi Shankaracharya has talked about it. Fourteen thousand years back Markandeya has talked about it. But only problem is this that today what I have done is to give it to masses. Any discovery if it doesn’t go to the masses it is of no use.
Interviewer: Doesn’t go to the what?
Shri Mataji: Masses, en-masse, masses, many people.
Interviewer: Many people. And when I talked of Yoga traditions, it is not only Hatha Yoga, there is also Raja Yoga, Jnana Yoga.
Shri Mataji: Now, Raja Yoga also is another thing, which is a very big misconception we have, because people don’t know what is Raja Yoga, so they try to – I mean, I don’t know, they have brought in something very artificial.
To give an analogy I will tell you this way. That when the Kundalini rises automatically within us, [bandhas ?] take place, means, the holding of the Kundalini takes place. Then also – of course it’s a mechanism that works the whole thing, all right, automatically, spontaneously. What they do is like without starting the car, they start moving the wheel. The car won’t move. They do all these things which are described when the Kundalini rises. But it is a spontaneous happening, innately done within yourself. It is not that you can do it from outside. So when they talk of Raja Yoga what do they say? They used to even cut the tongue of people. I have seen people whose tongues were cut, because it is said that when the Kundalini rises (Shri Mataji laughing) then the Kechari takes place, meaning your tongue is pulled inside. So they used to cut the tongue, put it back here. All kinds of nonsensical tortures, even Lamas and all this.
There’s no need to torture your body.
Interviewer: But there is no proof that the system is wrong, I mean, this is really –
Shri Mataji: No, it is there, you can find out.
Interviewer: how to say – a very extreme –
Shri Mataji: Extreme style, but they used to do it.
Interviewer: style, yes, I hope so. (laughing)
Shri Mataji: And they used to go to that stage, I’m telling you. Extreme, I am telling you. Otherwise they would make people sit down for hours together, and hold your stomach, hold your neck, and do all kinds of horrible things to this body which God has created. You don’t have to torture yourself. God didn’t create you to make you unhappy, or to torture yourself or to suffer. He wants you to enjoy everything.
Interviewer: What about Karma Yoga, Bhakti Yoga?
Shri Mataji: You see now, Karma is an idea.
Interviewer: They all work with techniques.
Shri Mataji: Yes, but the Karma Yoga is that – is only for human beings that whatever we have done, we have to suffer this life and all that. But now, in this lifetime when the Kundalini rises, She comes up to the Agnya Chakra. Agnya Chakra is the one where Christ is residing. And Christ has died for our Karmas, once for all. Once He is awakened He has died for all our Karmas, for our sins, Agnya Chakra opens out, you go out. Actually our Karmas create within us what we call, is an ego and superego as described by Jung. And these two things close our fontanel bone area. But as soon as the Kundalini passes through Agnya, between the optic chiasma these things open like a lotus, and the Kundalini comes out and you can feel the Cool Breeze of the Holy Ghost on top of your head. So, the keynote is the awakening of the Kundalini.
Interviewer: But, I mean, You think then the whole problem of Karma is solved by this?
Shri Mataji: Yes, of course, of course, that’s what I am saying,
Interviewer: This would be very comfortable.
Shri Mataji: It has to come to that. That’s what it is. (laughter)
Interviewer: But it sounds if it’s too comfortable for me. (Laughter)
Shri Mataji: No, no, it has to be, it has to be, because it is so vital. Anything vital has to be comfortable. For example breathing is so vital to us. For that if you have to go to some guru or to read some books what would happen? It is so vital that we should get it. And that has happened now.