Radio interview (Santa Cruz USA '83)
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Interviewer: Mother, we have learned, heard that when we learn love then we shall have will. What is the relationship between love and will?
Shri Mataji: When we’ll have love, then we’ll have will. Good! Love is when you become the Spirit, because Spirit is nothing but God’s love. – is All Pervading Power, is Spirit. So, when you know that love which is not attachment - it’s not
attachment, you see, like a sap rises in the tree, it goes even to the trunk, and then to the branches, to the leaves, to the flowers, to everyone. It doesn’t settle down into one flower. If it does, then the flower dies and the tree also dies. So, it is not attached, but it is nourishing. It does what it has to do. That kind of a love which is absolutely without any conditions, unconditional, without any lust, without any greed - that kind of a love when you will know. That is only possible when you will become the Spirit. Then you will know the Will of God. The Will of God - what is to be done, because you don’t know.
When you get your Realization what happens is this Cool Breeze is like a computer working.
You ask the computer, “Now, should I do this work?”
If it is yes, you will have cool vibrations. If not, no vibrations. So, you will know His Will. Thy Will be done, you see. How do you know His Will? Then you just know. You become the knowledge. When you become the knowledge (through Sahaja Yoga), when you become the love, then you become the knowledge also. Even in everyday life, if you love somebody you know a lot about that person.
Interviewer: Many of us have heard discussions or read in books about the evolution of matter, the evolution of substance. What are Your views on evolving matter and how does this relate to our own physical matter in our bodies, in our cells?
Shri Mataji: For the matter did go into evolution, you know that, and when the carbon was established, actually our first Chakra was established. That’s carbon which is tetravalent and carbon is the one which started producing amino acids, you see. When amino acid started manifesting itself this, then the other processes took place by which the evolution of,say, from amoeba to human stage took place. That also we understand very well after getting Realization, how we became from amoeba to human stage; and after human stage we have to achieve our Self Realization, means the Spirit which is in our heart has to manifest in our attention, or we have to feel it on central nervous system. But what is the relationship between matter and this? We should see that point. It’s important.
Now, through the matter all our centers are made. For example, the two centers that are down below are made of the Mother Earth principle. And, then another one and another one like that. All these elements have contributed to make the centers. And, these centers are just like mirrors made and the reflection of the Divine falls on them. Then, at a human level the matter improves so much, goes into such evolutionary processes, that the reflection at the heart level improves so much that the Spirit shines there,and the Kundalini is properly set for your evolution which is the epitome of evolution. Like this instrument that is made one by one first collecting this part, that part, that part then put together. Now the time has come for you to be put to the mains. Now, this has nothing to do with the electricity if you see. It exists without electricity but it can carry the electricity. In the same way, we become the lamp and when we become the lamp, the light can be brought in and we become enlightened. So, there is a big relationship between the lamp and the light but light cannot exist without the lamp, so lamp has to be there.
Interviewer: Mother, what is the true nature of death? Is it possible that you can choose not to die? What’s the purpose of death?
Shri Mataji: See, death is just like changing your clothes. So sometimes when you use too much of your clothes you get tired. You want to change it. Like that death is. Nobody dies, there’s nothing that dies except that the part that is the Mother Earth and the part that is the water falls off, and you remain as you are. But if you are a realized soul, then you have a choice. If you want to be born again, you would like to be born. If you don’t want to be born, you will not be born. But after Realization, it becomes your choice. If you want to die, you can die. If you don’t want to die, you need not die. But you want because you think that “Let us die and come back as new people again to help Mother.”
(From Radio Interview 1983 Oct 01, Santa Cruz USA)
Interviewer: Shri Mataji, what are we doing here? What is the purpose of life on earth? What are human beings walking around on this planet for?
Shri Mataji: You are specially made by God. You are specially chosen by God to be human beings and you are here with a very great purpose. The first purpose of God is that you should become the vehicle of God’s powers,completely. So that He flows through you, He flows into this atmosphere, into this universe, to make it a divine place. When you get Realization, what happens? These - all your abnormalities drop out and you become very normal person and these vibrations of Cool Breeze start flowing. With this now you can give it to Mother Earth, you can give it to the plants, you can give it to the trees. The whole thing becomes a “Garden of Allah” where you reside in complete joy and happiness.
The second purpose is that God has prepared you now to settle into His
Kingdom. That’s your throne. That’s your right to be there. It could have been short circuited at a time when Adam and Eve were called and told not to go into this so-called “book of knowledge” or the “fruit of knowledge.” But they didn’t listen, you see. If you give freedom to someone then, “What’s wrong?” So, they started doing things which were brought to them by a satanic force and they accepted it. So, that was the original sin we have committed. So, they had to take incarnations, do all those things and now brought it to this level where human beings have to be brought again back to the position where they were to go.
(From Radio Interview 1983 Oct 01, Santa Cruz USA)
Interviewer: What is the role of woman in this world, the role of the feminine principle?
Shri Mataji: I would say … I don’t say that women as women who are born as women only have the role, even the men have, everyone has because everyone has Kundalini within them. But the women must know that if they are women, they have a greater responsibility. Not that they should sit at home and only look after children and brood and then nag the husbands when they come home. [laughter] That’s not their role. The role is such that they have to be forbearing. Any person who is the mother has to be like the Mother Earth - how much She is forbearing, how much She suffers! We dig Her out, we torture Her life. Still, She is giving all the time; She is soothing, forgiving, bearing it out. We are doing so many sinful things, I mean, She should explode real with anger, the way it is but She does not. She is very careful. She slowly, slowly informs that “Now get out of this place, it’s rumbling.” She is so kind, you see - that all should come to us.
So, it’s not that it is only the women who should settle down with these qualities, but the time has come that men have to have these qualities. Otherwise, there will be always an imbalance. So, now the men have to become extremely kind, affectionate, compassionate. Give up that competitive spirit, that fighting spirit like Napoleon had - all those ideas are outdated. Now, whom do you respect? People like Mahatma Gandhi or Abraham Lincoln. Everyone, an American should think of Abraham Lincoln.