Public Lecture (New Delhi ’83)
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Audience member from public lecture: What is the reason for having dreams?
Shri Mataji: The reason for dreams is that when you are sleeping your attention moves either to the supraconscious side or to the subconscious side, your attention starts moving. And then you start seeing things which are connected with your subconscious or your collective subconscious and all this thing. And you may go onto supraconscious side where you see your future and all this thing. But the reason why you get dreams actually is that the unconscious, which is within you, or you can say the Kundalini or your Atma is trying to guide you to the right path. And how does it guide you to the right path? Is through dreams. But these are misunderstood.
How do you understand these dreams because you are so confused. First you go deep into yourself and you touch the unconscious – sushupti stithi. But from there you come out. And then when you are coming out, you touch your subconscious or maybe supraconscious. So whatever anubhuti you had, or whatever experience you had, of the depths of the sushupti gets confused and you don’t know what you dreamt, and you don’t understand and you forget it. But those who are realized souls go to their sushupti and see exactly what they have to know.
Like many people in Bombay when I came, they didn’t know I was coming but they were at the airport because they got the dream. So at this sushupti level, at the deep level you get the communication with God if you know how to go in and come out fully aware. But if you get confused with supraconscious or subconscious areas or if you start, your chitta i (Attention) is not so clear-cut, then there can be a big confusion.
Shri Mataji: In the evolutionary process a human being has come out of a small little unicellular animal called Amoeba as they say in the science. But what is the purpose of this becoming a human being? The purpose of his becoming a human being is that he has to become the spirit. This vehicle of a human body, mind, is to express the spirit within you. Self realization is the epitome of our evolution. So we all have to become self realized. Without self we are in darkness. We are not aware of the all pervading power which is doing all the living work. All kinds of living work things we can not do. What we do is the dead work or the mental projections which recoil back upon ourselves. We must get to self realization that’s the goal of human ascent from amoeba to this stage.
Question – How can you compartmentalize? What happens when a person is a realized soul? What is the state? When he is a realized soul, what happens to a man?
Shri Mataji: See, the first thing is to say that “how can we compartmentalize it?” because is the ego and super ego is on two sides. Actually, have you not noticed in our body, everything is a compartment. You see even a cell is a compartment. Everything has a boundary. It’s not some sort of a … even the blood has to pass through the channels. It has to go through these arteries. Everything is a compartment. There’s nothing like something just left there like a pulp. If it becomes the pulp, you won’t exist. So, everything is in compartment. It’s ego and super ego are like balloons and they are two balloons which can press each other, which can flow on one side.
Now see the , is placed like this on the left hand side more, and this one on the right hand side is the super ego. Still the ego when it increases in size it starts moving on the right hand side and the super ego, when it starts moving, it starts moving this way. So everything is in a compartment in our body. You are sadly mistaken if you think there’s anything is in a pulp, nothing. Or something like a air flowing in. Nothing like that. Everything has a channel. Everything is in a compartment.
Shri Mataji: Vibrations are the feeling of the all pervading divine power within yourself on your Central nervous system. You can feel this divine power for the first time after self realization on your central nervous system ending up into your fingertips where the sympathetic centers are located. So you start feeling on your hand the universal language which is spoken by the hand the different centers. And thus you know a rapport is established between the spirit and yourself. Because when you ask a question about any fundamental problem you either get a cool breeze flowing into your hand or you just stop it. Sometimes you might get some blisters also if the person is suffering from some sort of a very great mal-adjustment. You might get numbness if the person is on his way to death or could be very freezing cold. So the hands start speaking as said by Mohammed sahib; that your hands will speak when the time of resurrection. And this is the time of resurrection because Kundalini resides in the sacrum, which is the Aquarius. And this is the age of the Aquarius; this is the age of the kundalini.
Question – What happens to a man if he is a realized soul?
Shri Mataji: Now that is – I have been telling you what happens to a man he is a realized soul that his ego and super ego are sucked in and he gets a dent in the fontanel bone area, and the Kundalini shoots off, and he can feel the Cool Breeze coming out of his head, and he can feel it in his hand. This is only on the central nervous system this happens. But so many things happen much more – how to use this power, what it means and all that you have to learn.