Q: Is the Kundalini the same force that exists all around us as the Chinese call Chi?
SHRI MATAJI: Ya, ya. It’s true. But you see, it is, it has something to do with that, and that is what is our ego and super-ego.
The Chinese what they have written, it’s correct. But Chinese also don’t know who is Lao-Tse, can you imagine? Lao-Tse is the man who talked about this thing, He’s the one who told them about Kundalini and they don’t know who is Lao-Tse. Especially in America, I don’t know what sort of Chinese live here. It’s such a great source of knowledge, and what they have said is a perfect thing. But everything gets integrated in Sahaja Yoga. All the knowledge, all the scriptures, everything gets integrated. Absolutely integrated because out of light you see the truth in all of them. There is truth in everything, there is truth in every religion. But religion now has become money-oriented, or also power-oriented, so it’s gone off.
But actually if you go to the roots of it, it is all the same. For example, take the case of Kosovo. Now there these Muslims wanted to have a separate state. It’s not necessary, why do they want to have a separate state? You see everywhere where they were trying separate state, even in our country, they all are suffering. It seems even in the same state they could have done it. All right, they said it. But one thing one should understand, that in democracy, how can you have a state based on religion? You cannot, despite that they wanted to have. Now what did they get? Did they get their separate state? They became refugees, poor things starving, for two years they cannot go back to their houses and homes. Because there was no discretion. If you want to help them, best thing is to give realization to everyone.
Then all Muslims, all Christians, all Hindus, all of them become Sahaja Yogis. They respect each other. They have to become Sahaja Yogis. No use becoming Christian, Hindus, Muslims, because that means fighting and in Italy we had a little discussion and they said that, “We don’t want to have one global religion.” We have a global religion because innately we are religious. If you know what that innate religion is then you will become global. But they don’t want, because they want to fight. If there is one religion global, we all are there, respecting all the religions and all the incarnations and all the principles of religion, supposing, then how would you fight? On what basis will you fight? This is the problem, we have to go beyond these limitations which are created. We can say created by human beings only.
Human beings are good at spoiling everything I feel that way. You see, if you go in a forest it’s so clean, so nice, all the birds are there, all the animals are there, the lions are there, tigers are there. You may not find anything stinking, but you send one man there the whole place will be stinking (LAUGHTER). That is what we have done to religion also. don’t know how many bifurcations we have of religions, how can you have? There’s one God, how can there be so many religions? And just fighting in the name of religion is stupidity, because they don’t know. If there’s innate religion within you, the innate, which is so much encompassing the whole world.
Now see Sufis are Muslims, what they write? They right nothing but Sahaja Yoga. What Christ wrote was Sahaja Yoga, what Mohammed Sahib wrote was Sahaja Yoga. They didn’t write all these nonsensical things that people are doing. But they don’t read even Koran, you’d be surprised. They don’t even read Bible in proper way, or some people just go on reading words, words, words, words. How can you get into it? You must read within the lines. Yet they don’t do, and then they start fighting. It’s so absurd, the whole thing is, that next generation will not believe in any one of these organizations based on religion, I can tell you. But they might take to something also very bad.
So the best thing is to get to the roots of it and find out. So many things are said to explain, according to times also, but how many people really know the roots of religion? They are all one, coming from the same tree, there’s nothing to fight. Have you ever seen one branch of the tree fighting with another? It’s as absurd as that, to me I can’t understand. It’s not possible. For us to fight with each other, for what are we fighting? We are part and parcel of one whole. How can we fight, it’s very unnatural, which is very dangerous also. As I said, a tree, on a tree there are so many leaves and they are all different. You won’t find another leaf repeating itself. But they never fight with each other do they? Why should we, the human beings fight, in the name of God? They make money in the name of God. They fight in the name of God. They do all kinds of things in the name of God, now what do you say what sort of a God it is? How much we have brought glory to the name of God? All right?
So we have to know that innate religion within us, which is in everyone. All of us have that innate religion, we may call it by any name. It’s a pure, global religion we can call it. Which is within all of us, it’s a fact, I’m telling you a fact. Otherwise you start fighting for this, fighting for that, then what will happen? That’s what I said this is the last judgment, and this last judgment is really going to make the difference between the people who have got self-realization and who haven’t got it. Last judgment we are not going to put on the balance to find out who is thinner and who is fatter, no. It is what have you got within yourself. What light you have got within yourself and you must have proper understanding that your value of your human life is very great. It is not something frivolous, cheapish, it’s very great and you can help the whole world to emancipate. All right? [Audience applauses ]
You must pray, to God and ask, what you want. Ask for “complete satisfaction in my heart, joy in my heart, bliss in my heart, so that the whole world becomes blissful. Give me love, love that I could… love the whole world and that the whole world becomes one in love. Give salvation to this… humanity. Which is suffering. Take me to your feet. Cleanse me with… with thy love.”
Now see if there is God or not? You can feel him within yourself. He hears you. He understands you. He’s the glory of all the glory. He loves you. He protects you. He guides you. He created you to reveal His love, but accept it.
Any time any thought is coming you pray and you will be moving in the waves of that ocean which is unconscious mind, which starts with thoughtless awareness.
If you cannot become thoughtless, you pray: forgive me for what I have done and forgive those who have done harm to me.
Interviewer: Now what said Buddha, for instance? He was talking about the way which is soft in the beginning, soft in the middle and soft in the end.
Shri Mataji: Yes, He did, but Buddha’s times are over now. We have passed through that also. Those times are over now. Buddha had, you see – because
Buddha Himself was so surprised later on that if you talk about God, you see, people just start thinking about God, about this and that – so He said, “Don’t talk of God, just talk of Self Realization, that’s all.” Because He wanted to pin down people, you see, to the real way of progressing, and not to just indulge into unnecessary ritualism and this and that. That’s why He said so. But actually those times are over and you can get your Realization, no doubt. It is proved now. They all have got it, they all have felt Cool Breeze, you can see their faces. They don’t go to doctors, they are keeping all right, they are having a nice time.
Interviewer: What about, I mean, in the traditional books there is described that each chakra is combined with magical capabilities?
Shri Mataji: Of course, it is, it is.
Interviewer: Are those people all sorcerers in this aspect? (Laughter)
Shri Mataji: Yes, yes. They all know about it, every chakra has a different quality. Like the first chakra is the chakra of our excretion, excretes everything from us, you see. And it has a special quality that it is the one that gives us holiness, auspiciousness, wisdom. The second chakra gives us aesthetics. When second chakra is – what shall I say – ignited, or is awakened through Kundalini, then people suddenly become aesthetics. We have many like that. Then they become suddenly great scientists. Recently one boy has discovered a very unique type of, what you call, switch which he does not know how he discovered it. So, like that every chakra has a boon to give. No doubt about it.
Shri Mataji: Vibrations are the feeling of the all pervading divine power within yourself on your Central nervous system. You can feel this divine power for the first time after self realization on your central nervous system ending up into your fingertips where the sympathetic centers are located. So you start feeling on your hand the universal language which is spoken by the hand the different centers. And thus you know a rapport is established between the spirit and yourself. Because when you ask a question about any fundamental problem you either get a cool breeze flowing into your hand or you just stop it. Sometimes you might get some blisters also if the person is suffering from some sort of a very great mal-adjustment. You might get numbness if the person is on his way to death or could be very freezing cold. So the hands start speaking as said by Mohammed sahib; that your hands will speak when the time of resurrection. And this is the time of resurrection because Kundalini resides in the sacrum, which is the Aquarius. And this is the age of the Aquarius; this is the age of the kundalini.
(From Radio Interview 1983 Oct 01, Santa Cruz USA)
Interviewer: What does it mean to open the last center (the Sahasrara chakra)?
Shri Mataji: The Sahasrara. Last center is the center which is the limbic area where is the seat of all the seven centers. It’s all integration there. So far, everybody who has come – like, Christ has come on this center what you call the Agnya Chakra. Or, Krishna has come on this center which is the Vishuddhi Chakra. Like that, they have been appearing on every center of ours – giving us a new dimension to our awareness. And, that’s how our awareness has improved to this extent and now the time is for you to get your Absolute; to get your Spirit – that your Spirit must shine into your attention, that you should have your Self-Realization, that you should have your second birth. That’s the time! And, that is only possible if baptism, the real baptism works out – real. Not artificial – somebody coming and putting the hand on your head and saying, “Now, you are baptized.” That’s not the way. But it is a real thing that happens that you start feeling the Cool Breeze of the Holy Ghost coming out.
So, then I started giving first of all Realization without confronting any kind of a position or anything. I started with one lady. Then I went ahead with it. Then the first twelve people got Realization. Then I was very happy because en masse Realization has started. Then gradually it started working out. I went to Indian villages. I thought they are better simple people. First work on the simpler people and they got Realization. Now, we have thousands of people in the villages who have got Realization. They have dropped out all their bad habits. They have become very creative. They are doing very well. They are very happy. And, they are experts. So many of them are experts, I can say, in India now whom we call as Sahaja Yogi, maybe in thousands. Some are working in the villages; some are working in some cities. So, we have lots of people now in India who can do this job.
Interviewer: This all happened since 1970?
Shri Mataji: I started it.
Interviewer: You started?
Shri Mataji: Yeah.