Interviewer: Many of us have heard discussions or read in books about the evolution of matter, the evolution of substance. What are Your views on evolving matter and how does this relate to our own physical matter in our bodies, in our cells?
Shri Mataji: For the matter did go into evolution, you know that, and when the carbon was established, actually our first Chakra was established. That’s carbon which is tetravalent and carbon is the one which started producing amino acids, you see. When amino acid started manifesting itself this, then the other processes took place by which the evolution of,say, from amoeba to human stage took place. That also we understand very well after getting Realization, how we became from amoeba to human stage; and after human stage we have to achieve our Self Realization, means the Spirit which is in our heart has to manifest in our attention, or we have to feel it on central nervous system. But what is the relationship between matter and this? We should see that point. It’s important.
Now, through the matter all our centers are made. For example, the two centers that are down below are made of the Mother Earth principle. And, then another one and another one like that. All these elements have contributed to make the centers. And, these centers are just like mirrors made and the reflection of the Divine falls on them. Then, at a human level the matter improves so much, goes into such evolutionary processes, that the reflection at the heart level improves so much that the Spirit shines there,and the Kundalini is properly set for your evolution which is the epitome of evolution. Like this instrument that is made one by one first collecting this part, that part, that part then put together. Now the time has come for you to be put to the mains. Now, this has nothing to do with the electricity if you see. It exists without electricity but it can carry the electricity. In the same way, we become the lamp and when we become the lamp, the light can be brought in and we become enlightened. So, there is a big relationship between the lamp and the light but light cannot exist without the lamp, so lamp has to be there.
Question: Someone once said to spread the word of God using our thoughts and our actions. I just want to know what is thought about that statement.
Shri Mataji: First you should get connected to God. If you are not connected to God, whatever you are doing in the name of God may not be. First point is we should be connected. Supposing this instrument [pointing to microphone] is here, and if it is not connected it has no meaning. In the same way our God’s work has no meaning because we are not yet connected. First get connected to His power.
Question: What about vegetarianism? And, if you believe that by eating meat, war can ever be at peace, how can we achieve our spiritual breakthrough?
Shri Mataji: All right, you become vegetarian. All right? So it’s all right for you to become vegetarian and receive that all right?
Any ‘ism’ is against Sahaj Yoga, any ‘ism’ is against, ‘ism’ is a mental idea, it’s not the truth, it’s not reality, you have to face the reality as it is with your mental projections you do not do not conform to something. First of all find out what is right and what is wrong through your Spirit, in the light of the Spirit you find out and then you decide. It is no use before hand just to decide this is the thing and that is the thing.
You see this kind of nonsensical ideas people had so many to such an extent that in India we have Jainism in which they do not even kill the bugs or the mosquitoes or anything and they don’t want to go in the W.C.’s but they go onto some hills and the Mayor of Bombay came to ask Me: “What should we do about it?” Because they say that in our religion we cannot even kill these things which are being excreted out, so now we have to save them, imagine, we have to save human beings. Are we going to give Realizations to chickens or what?
You have to be sensible enough first of all to ask for your spiritual ascent and then decide, don’t decide before hand, it’s like the snake story I told you just now.
Question: I want to know what qualifies someone to be a guru? And, what makes you do the work you do?
Shri Mataji: Oh, because I love it! It’s so beautiful to see people getting their Realization. You will also do the same once you get it, it’s so beautiful. The most beautiful thing is to give Realization to someone and so joyous because if you are selfish, if you are low type of a person then you feel funny about yourself, but if you are benevolent you feel so happy about the whole thing, you enjoy your benevolence, you enjoy your virtues. Just start enjoying and that’s only possible after Realization, then you just do it, I know why am I doing it, what should I do otherwise? I mean what I’m saying that supposing somebody else can do this I would like to retire myself but it’s difficult to get someone like that. I’m sorry to say. Can you do it madam for my sake? You can’t that’s the point.
I’ve been trying for, now I’m sixty-seven years of age. I wish somebody could take my place but doesn’t work that way. But in any case when you get your Realization at least try to give Realization to some people and you can do it, not difficult. But not at my level, that’s the point is, once you come to my level, I’ll be very happy to retire. [AUDIENCE LAUGHS]
Q: With all the traveling do you miss your family?
Shri Mataji: No. [Shri Mataji laughs] My family is very sensible. And I travel, they also travel with me. My family, all of them, are here now in America. But my family is very sensible and they realize, they have realized that this is such a great work I’m doing. So they support me, they help me in every way. They are very supportive. And they like it and they enjoy it, enjoy all the people who have got realization. There’s a family, has the same ideas, or we can say the same feeling, for the world and they are very happy about it.