SHRI MATAJI: How do we fight the ego. See, you should never fight ego. If you try to fight it, it will sit more on your head.
That’s not the way to fight it. That there is ego, and you fight your ego, “Oh I am going to box you”, then it will grow more, you see. The more you box it, the more it will grow. Never fight your ego. Only way is to see it.
Your attention is very important. Your attention is now enlightened. Whatever you see, it comes to its right size. It comes to its right size. Say ego, if it is overgrown, you just watch your ego. Best is to watch yourself in the mirror and you say, “Oh Mr. Ego, how do you do?” (laughter) Then it will come down. But don’t fight it. Just to be seen.
All kinds of egos could be there. If you are over-educated, you are egoistical. If you are uneducated, you are egoistical because you must try to show that you are something. All sorts of egos are there.
So best thing is to see for yourself. That’s why I say,” Face your self.” Your self means your Spirit.
QUESTION: Mother, is it the same for super ego?
SHRI MATAJI: Yes, very much so. For super ego also, not to be frightened. You should just say,” Get out! I can see you very clearly, you are there. You get out from here. How dare you frighten me, I am the Spirit. I am the Spirit. How dare you can do that.” That’s how.
You see, ego makes you idiotic, absolutely. Ego makes you idiotic, makes an idiot out of you, absolutely. And the super ego makes you a coward. It makes you a coward. Now how to fight it: “I’m not going to be an idiot,” if you say that, ego will go away. If you want to be an idiot, then he will be there to help you. If you want to be an idiot, all right, call Mr. Ego. You’ll become an idiot straightforward. Is the easiest way. Easiest way if you want to become an idiot, simple thing is to call the ego, “You come, Mr. Ego, and settle down in me”, and immediately… This is a very simple composition.
Interviewer: So is this Kundalini the same like Atman?
Shri Mataji: No, Atma is Spirit in the heart. Now I’ll tell you from the another side, so you will understand. See, we can say that God Almighty is reflected within your heart as Atma, all right? And the Kundalini is the power of God. She is desire that we all should get our Realization. She is reflected in you as Kundalini, as the Holy Ghost. So this Kundalini has to rise and meet the Atma, because though it is in the heart, the seat of Atma is here in the center, here in the fontanel bone area. That’s why She has to rise and touch it, so the connection is established.
Interviewer: For me it was unclear, because it is said that the Atman is the one which is inside you and always is awaiting that you discover it.
Shri Mataji: Yes that’s the way.
Shri Mataji: Now, I would give an analogy. In modern times we have lots of analogies. You can see in a gas, you see. Now the gas is the energy. For example. Let’s see the Kundalini is the energy, and there is a little light flickering. When this gas meets that light your attention becomes enlightened. Just an analogy up to a point you should see it.
Interviewer: I see an explosion happening when gas meets the light. This is exactly my question.
Shri Mataji: No, there is no explosion, no explosion, because they understand, they know. Actually you will be surprised how beautifully She works. How She comes into you. Like somebody has an obstruction on the Nabhi chakra. You’ll be surprised She pulsates, even in the triangular bone, just like a heart. And She suggests to you that this is the problem, now try to correct. Any problem She suggests, and She is so beautiful, the way She handles so gently your personality, She never wants to harm you in any way, if there’s too much obstruction She goes down.
Interviewer: You mean it’s a force that wants equilibrium?
Shri Mataji: Yes, you have to have balance, you have to have equilibrium. If the balance is upside down, if there is any obstruction because of that imbalances, She suggests, She tells you.
Interviewer: What’s the role of the artist in this work, this Sahaja Yoga? (An artist, artistic work like music… )
Shri Mataji: Oh, great, great! Tremendous it is! You see, those people who have been realized souls have created eternal art. Like we can say, Michelangelo was a realized soul. So his work is eternal art. And, they produce art which creates vibrations. You can feel vibrations from him. In the whole church if you go you feel horrid, but when you go to Sistine Chapel (photo) and see his work, the whole thing fills you up with vibrations. They are creators of vibrations. Imagine! The musicians like Mozart – Mozart creates vibrations but Wagner… [laughter]
You see. So, they are the people who are realized souls. You have some tennis players who are realized souls also, perhaps you…
Interviewer: Tennis players?
Shri Mataji: Yah! MacEnroe is a realized soul and Borg is also. And, My grandchild told Me, “You know, why Borg has retired? Because another Sahaja Yogi has come now, the younger one, so give chance to him and that’s why he is very honorably retired.” [laughter]
Is because when MacEnroe speaks, you must have seen, he tells himself “John, now behave yourself.”
They are in the third person. And, that’s why people don’t understand him and he doesn’t like to be insulted. And, that’s very true. Anybody who is a saint doesn’t like him to be insulted. So, like that you have so many people who are realized souls, we can say. Even the Princess of Wales (photo) is a realized soul and the new child is a realized soul. So, there are so many people like that who are realized souls.
Question: How do you balance one’s problems?
Shri Mataji: Yeah, I’ll tell you now what is the problem is, now if you see it clearly [SHRI MATAJI POINTS TO THE CHAKRA CHART] there are three lines you see them, okay? These are the three channels we have of autonomous nervous system. The two channels the one is the left and another is the right and the central one is the parasympathetic nervous system and these two are left and right sympathetic nervous system so before Realization whatever we do we can only go to the left or to the right with our effort, for example, now supposing, you want to increase the rate of your heart, you have to run, if you run rate will increase, but you cannot decrease, automatically it happens through the parasympathetic nervous system, so whatever you try like this any this psychotherapy, this therapy, that therapy, you are putting in your effort, isn’t it?
But here you get connected with that power which sooths you down, which looks after you, which works it out by itself, and if you really know how to keep your connection all right you don’t have to worry.
So this is.. you don’t have to retain a doctor, you don’t have to go to a psychiatrist, nothing of the kind, automatically you are looked after, because now you are connected, but before this you have to put in an effort, this is effortless.
Audience member from public lecture: What is the reason for having dreams?
Shri Mataji: The reason for dreams is that when you are sleeping your attention moves either to the supraconscious side or to the subconscious side, your attention starts moving. And then you start seeing things which are connected with your subconscious or your collective subconscious and all this thing. And you may go onto supraconscious side where you see your future and all this thing. But the reason why you get dreams actually is that the unconscious, which is within you, or you can say the Kundalini or your Atma is trying to guide you to the right path. And how does it guide you to the right path? Is through dreams. But these are misunderstood.
How do you understand these dreams because you are so confused. First you go deep into yourself and you touch the unconscious – sushupti stithi. But from there you come out. And then when you are coming out, you touch your subconscious or maybe supraconscious. So whatever anubhuti you had, or whatever experience you had, of the depths of the sushupti gets confused and you don’t know what you dreamt, and you don’t understand and you forget it. But those who are realized souls go to their sushupti and see exactly what they have to know.
Like many people in Bombay when I came, they didn’t know I was coming but they were at the airport because they got the dream. So at this sushupti level, at the deep level you get the communication with God if you know how to go in and come out fully aware. But if you get confused with supraconscious or subconscious areas or if you start, your chitta i (Attention) is not so clear-cut, then there can be a big confusion.