Question: What can you say to them about how to become a realized soul, how to achieve this Cool Breeze?
Interviewer: The listeners who will be tuning in to this program on the radio won’t have had the experience of being in Your presence. Some of them may have who were in this room. What can you say to them about how to become a realized soul, how to achieve this Cool Breeze that comes from…
Shri Mataji: At the beginning of My lecture, if you tell them that they should put their hands towards the radio. Just on the radio. They might feel the If they don’t feel it, then tell them to put the right hand first till they feel the cool breeze, and left hand up as if ventilating out. And, then the left hand towards the radio and the right hand up. It might work out because it has worked in Hong Kong. [laughter]
Interviewer: I’ll tell You something interesting. I interviewed Danny and Doug (Sahaja Yogis) before You came so that listeners would have a chance to come here. And, one of them called me and said that he went into meditation in the afternoon and felt the Cool Breeze just by hearing them talk.
Shri Mataji: See, if Sahaja Yogis can do it then when I’m talking it should happen. [laughter]
Shri Mataji: No, no, no, not language of animals, no, no. That’s not true. This center of chakra is guarded by Jagadamba, the Mother of the Earth, Mother of the Universe is here. But this has got the antibodies, this chakra creates antibodies. Antibodies are what we call them Ganas are. They can fight your diseases. And that’s what is created by this chakras. And now, for example, AIDS, I will come on AIDS. AIDS is caused by the deficiency of this chakra and also of the first chakra. If you could manage these two chakras you can cure AIDS also.
Interviewer: Yeah, but this is also one of the abilities which are stored in here.
Shri Mataji: Yes, but with the animals, you don’t have to talk to them, but they understand you through your vibrations. You have such vibrations that animals know that you are a Realized Soul. A serpent will know, a horse will know, a dog will know – but not all of them. Some of them can be sinister also. But they are frightened of you, if they are sinister, they are frightened. But if they are good, then they’ll come to you and will be very nice to you. But I would not say we understand their language or anything, but we understand each others’ heart. (Shri Mataji laughing)
Interviewer: That’s a lot.
Shri Mataji: Yes, that’s the love, because that’s the mother’s – that’s the mother’s center. It’s very important center. But as a result of the defect in this center women can develop a kind of a trouble with their breasts. Breast cancer is caused by that. So many problems are caused with the deficiency of this center.
Question: Do you have to sit in any special posture while you are doing this (Sahaja Yoga meditation), or can it be done at any time and in any form?
(Public Lecture, Brisbane 5th May, 1987)
Shri Mataji: No. You see in this Sahaja Yoga you become the Spirit. Then you don’t have to meditate much, about ten minutes or so is sufficient and there’s nothing much particular restriction or anything in it. You can sit in any pose you like, there is no restriction of any kind. Because you become the Spirit. Only thing is you have to get into thoughtless awareness, that’s the first state is, which we call as Nivichara. For that state to achieve you see you have to sit down just and refuse to take any thoughts in your mind. Just say not this, not this. So suddenly because your Kundalini’s there already up there, so you become thoughtlessly aware. Once you become thoughtlessly aware you can stay like that for about five minutes or so, just that’s all. It’s not much time is needed because you are in meditation.
SHRI MATAJI: How do we fight the ego. See, you should never fight ego. If you try to fight it, it will sit more on your head.
That’s not the way to fight it. That there is ego, and you fight your ego, “Oh I am going to box you”, then it will grow more, you see. The more you box it, the more it will grow. Never fight your ego. Only way is to see it.
Your attention is very important. Your attention is now enlightened. Whatever you see, it comes to its right size. It comes to its right size. Say ego, if it is overgrown, you just watch your ego. Best is to watch yourself in the mirror and you say, “Oh Mr. Ego, how do you do?” (laughter) Then it will come down. But don’t fight it. Just to be seen.
All kinds of egos could be there. If you are over-educated, you are egoistical. If you are uneducated, you are egoistical because you must try to show that you are something. All sorts of egos are there.
So best thing is to see for yourself. That’s why I say,” Face your self.” Your self means your Spirit.
QUESTION: Mother, is it the same for super ego?
SHRI MATAJI: Yes, very much so. For super ego also, not to be frightened. You should just say,” Get out! I can see you very clearly, you are there. You get out from here. How dare you frighten me, I am the Spirit. I am the Spirit. How dare you can do that.” That’s how.
You see, ego makes you idiotic, absolutely. Ego makes you idiotic, makes an idiot out of you, absolutely. And the super ego makes you a coward. It makes you a coward. Now how to fight it: “I’m not going to be an idiot,” if you say that, ego will go away. If you want to be an idiot, then he will be there to help you. If you want to be an idiot, all right, call Mr. Ego. You’ll become an idiot straightforward. Is the easiest way. Easiest way if you want to become an idiot, simple thing is to call the ego, “You come, Mr. Ego, and settle down in me”, and immediately… This is a very simple composition.
Interviewer: So is this Kundalini the same like Atman?
Shri Mataji: No, Atma is Spirit in the heart. Now I’ll tell you from the another side, so you will understand. See, we can say that God Almighty is reflected within your heart as Atma, all right? And the Kundalini is the power of God. She is desire that we all should get our Realization. She is reflected in you as Kundalini, as the Holy Ghost. So this Kundalini has to rise and meet the Atma, because though it is in the heart, the seat of Atma is here in the center, here in the fontanel bone area. That’s why She has to rise and touch it, so the connection is established.
Interviewer: For me it was unclear, because it is said that the Atman is the one which is inside you and always is awaiting that you discover it.
Shri Mataji: Yes that’s the way.
Shri Mataji: Now, I would give an analogy. In modern times we have lots of analogies. You can see in a gas, you see. Now the gas is the energy. For example. Let’s see the Kundalini is the energy, and there is a little light flickering. When this gas meets that light your attention becomes enlightened. Just an analogy up to a point you should see it.
Interviewer: I see an explosion happening when gas meets the light. This is exactly my question.
Shri Mataji: No, there is no explosion, no explosion, because they understand, they know. Actually you will be surprised how beautifully She works. How She comes into you. Like somebody has an obstruction on the Nabhi chakra. You’ll be surprised She pulsates, even in the triangular bone, just like a heart. And She suggests to you that this is the problem, now try to correct. Any problem She suggests, and She is so beautiful, the way She handles so gently your personality, She never wants to harm you in any way, if there’s too much obstruction She goes down.
Interviewer: You mean it’s a force that wants equilibrium?
Shri Mataji: Yes, you have to have balance, you have to have equilibrium. If the balance is upside down, if there is any obstruction because of that imbalances, She suggests, She tells you.