Interviewer: How much are you, I mean, I said my last question half an hour before. (Laughter) How much are you influenced by Christian ideas? Shri Mataji: You mean Christianity or Christ? Interviewer: Yes. I don’t know – define it, I mean, whatever is important for You. Shri Mataji: Christ is very much there, no doubt, but Christianity I don’t know, it’s like all other religions, it has diverted. There was a book recently which I read Gnostic, which was – you might have also heard about it, when Saint Thomas on his way to India wrote this thing and put it in a jar in Egypt. It was found out about 48 years back. Gna in Sanskrit means ‘to know’. And in that whatever he has written challenges all our Christian ideas. First is that we must suffer, that God wants us to suffer for Him, and all these ideas of Christianity – we should confess our sins, and all that is being challenged. So about Christianity – I was Myself born in the Christian religion. And I was quite surprised the way we are following Christ. Because if we had followed Him properly – the first thing He has said is that, “You have to be born again.” And when He said that again we branded ourselves ”we are born again”. Just like so many people brand themselves as “Brahmins” or anything. But you are not born again, because a born again person has powers, has powers of raising the Kundalini. So, like that, Christ has said that, “You are to be born again,” meaning you have to have your Kundalini awakened. It‘s very clearly given in our Shastras, that a bird is called as a dwijaha, means born twice and a Brahmin is called also a dwijaha, means born twice. Means the Brahmin has one birth as a human being and second birth as a Brahmin when he knows the Brahma, means the All pervading power. In the same way a bird is born as an egg and then is reborn as a bird. So this is what is clearly given that you are to be born again, means that you have to get your Realization. Christ has said so many things, like He said, “Thou shalt not have adulterous eyes.” Now tell Me Christians what do you think about their eyes? Why Christianity has failed? Why has it failed everywhere? The problem with them is that they have not followed Christ as they should have. And it’s all diverted. The whole thing is so diverted. Now also I don’t understand why Paul is in Bible. Paul has nothing to do with Christ. He was epileptic. He was the one who killed Stephen. He was the one who killed so many Christians. He just had the supra-conscious experience of a cross and finished. He is an organizer. And do you know now the Protestants are going so far to say that Christ was a human being – finished. Because they can’t go anywhere near Him. So call Him a human being. They are even going up to the point to say that He was homosexual, what do you say to that? I mean, they go on saying every sort of thing about Him, who was the only Son of God.
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Q: Could you mention how to lose body consciousness?
SHRI MATAJI: Now all these words have absolutely has no meaning. Body consciousness this thing, that thing. You see it is said that you should not be conscious of your body. You should be conscious of your body as a human being, there’s nothing wrong. But once you get your realization, you become conscious of your subtle body, which is within you, so you can easily get it. But you don’t lose the consciousness of your body, that’s not so.
These are all funny things they are doing. I was telling you that you fly in the air and all that, it’s not. It’s absolutely simple that you become consciously aware within yourself of your own powers. And which you use, not for cruelties or for making money, but for love. I mean it is something it is something that happens to you, like I would say a flower. See it’s just a bud, maybe it’s not even a bud, but then it becomes a flower. And you see your fragrance and you are amazed at yourself.
So all these things that you have to give up your body consciousness, this consciousness, is not necessary at all. You don’t have to give up anything. Wherever you are, whatever you are, in that only you get the light, the enlightenment as they call it.
What is Yoga?
Yoga literally means ‘union with the universal soul’, Most people today associate yoga with the modern version which can only offer postures and breathing exercises.
Traditionally, those practising ‘true yoga’ aim to have that union between their individual soul and the universal soul – the supreme spirit.
A ‘true yoga’ leads one to this union by awakening the inner Self through special knowledge and meditation.
What is Meditation?
Meditation is the personal experience of going beyond one’s thoughts, worries and upsets, and being in a state of peace and calm. After the ‘true yoga’ or union has taken place, this state is quickly established.
Meditating for even 10 to 15 minutes a day nourishes and improves the individual’s connection with the supreme spirit – the source of all peace and joy.
There can be immediate benefits in stress relief & contentment. It has been scientifically shown that regular Sahaja Yoga meditation can reduce certain illness. It helps one attain balance and enlightenment.
How does ‘true yoga’ happen?
Through Sahaja Yoga a subtle energy within, called kundalini, is spontaneously awakened – giving the ‘true yoga’ for meditation. When done correctly, it happens instantly with no effort or thought.
Sahaja means ‘spontaneous’ and Yoga means ‘union’ – the spontaneous union.
About Sahaja Yoga
Sahaja Yoga is a true meditation that is being practised by thousands of people around the world. Its popularity has grown steadily since it was founded in 1970 by Shri Mataji – who is known as the Mother.
There are many Sahaja Yoga locations, both in Australia and worldwide, which offer the public an opportunity to experience true meditation for themselves.
Who can do Sahaja Yoga?
Everyone. No matter what your age or lifestyle, you’ll find the techniques of meditation easy to do and follow. Sahaja Yoga is available and accessible to everyone. It can be practised at home or with other people in our meetings. People who are stressed through a hectic life at work or at home, find Sahaja Yoga very beneficial. They learn how to relax, which can lead to a more balanced life free from their stress and anxiety.
What does it cost?
There is no charge for the teaching of Sahaja Yoga Meditation – it is free to anyone who desires to experience it. The basic philosophy of Sahaja Yoga is to provide the knowledge and experience of meditation to anyone who seeks it.
QUESTION: Shri Mataji, could You say something about maintaining our attention so that it stays where it should.
SHRI MATAJI: He has asked a very practical question it’s true that “to keep the attention where it should be.”
The best way is to learn how to watch yourself. Just now, sitting here, just put yourself into a position from where you watch yourself. “Now what am I doing?” This is the abbhyas, this is the study. Apart from mantras, apart from anything, the abbhyas is the practice, practice of becoming a witness. And the witness is the Spirit state. There attention will not go. I mean you will see everything, it is there, but attention will be inside. Try to practice this: “Am I a witness?”
Now, say some people say,” Oh God! I had a horrible time, Mother. This happened, that happened.” See, you are not a witness. How can you have a horrible time if you are the Spirit? You only have a horrible time when you are not the Spirit. If you can watch the whole thing as a drama that is played, then you are not having a horrible time, but this outside of you is having a horrible time, which you are watching.
That’s how the attention can be fixed very well if you practice abbhyas, practice all the time to be witness. Say you go out, you see something. You just try to see it, not to think about it. Be a witness of the whole thing. The joy will be complete, and also you will become absolutely peaceful. Your attention will be completely enlightened. And then the inspiration you will get will be tremendous.
(after a long pause) See, it’s working out. Working out. Try to watch.
And it has such a tremendous memory, if you know how to watch. I mean, to Me, if I see something – I mean, to Me it is just like a film in My mind. If I have seen this room, now I know what is in this design – everything I know. How you are sitting, what pose you have taken, how you were, what was it – everything is like a design. You see it comes to me, just like a picture – absolutely. Not of this life, but of lives.
Because that’s a recording system that records best. If there are thoughts it’s like something in between. You see, now he is trying to record Me on the film, and if there is something in between moving, nothing will come in it. But when there is nothing in between and you are just seeing through, you are recording everything that is important.
Interviewer: Is Kundalini a very, very intensive energy?
Shri Mataji: It is the energy of pure desire. It is an energy of pure desire within you. All other desires are impure, because no desire makes you satisfied. So this is an energy of pure desire within you. It is waiting all the time for your rebirth. And it has to be awakened by a person authorized by the Divine, not by any church, by any temple, by anyone, but a person who has the authority.
Interviewer: And You don’t think that the person who has the most authority to awaken one’s Kundalini is one single?
Shri Mataji: I shouldn’t say that, but just now I think I haven’t met another one, for the time being. But if I meet someone, I’ll be very happy. But somebody who has to have authority, the knowledge. Like all of them can raise the Kundalini as I can raise, no problem. All of them can. But if they start taking money they’ll lose the power. If they start misbehaving they’ll lose the power. That’s how the Kundalini is very intelligent. She understands. And She loves you and She will not allow you to do anything wrong. She coordinates, She cooperates. She is tremendous, no doubt, but she is not harmful, She loves you.
Interviewer: Now, I mean, an energy is something which is neutral?
Shri Mataji: She is not attached to you, but She loves you. In the sense there is in Her detachment She wants you to get your Realization. Because She is your mother and you have to have your Realization. That’s very important. That’s Her desire for ages now and that’s why you are a seeker, because She is there.