TV Interview ORF (Vienna, Austria ’88)

Question: How do you discriminate a false guru and a genuine Guru?

Interviewer: I did read in the Press Communiqué that one of your topics is the topic of Guru, of gurus. Gurus, false gurus. Now what are they? How do you discriminate a false guru and a genuine Guru?

Shri Mataji: Yes, I’ve been talking against them since I think, 1970 very openly, even naming them. It’s very easy to make them out, you see, they are out for money. It’s the shopping. And they are out for money. They know the need of the hour. It’s like the demand and supply business, you see. It’s an economic activity. And, anybody who asks for money, one must know it’s not real.

Now, for example, your Realization is a living process. And we don’t pay any money to the Mother Earth to sprout the seed. Of course, but say, supposing, these people have started this Ashram. Now, here there are so many living. I don’t know how they spend, how they live, it is their lookout. They know all accounts, everything, I don’t bother. I am very bad at money myself. And also, you see they are the ones who collect money, and put up the posters and things like that. But for Realization I cannot take money, for curing you I cannot take money. I mean, there’s no question, you cannot value it. This has no economic value.

Interviewer: So you would say the discrimination is if somebody is interested in money – or not?

Shri Mataji: First. First chance. Second you must see the life style of such a person. Supposing such a man leads a very funny life, immoral life. And tells you big stories, then you should know that this is wrong, because a person who himself is not pure has no business to make others pure. There are many things described about false gurus in our scriptures, thank God. And so if you see their behaviour, that they say something and do something else. And they have scandalous life behind it. But the disciples just hide it, because they think, now we have jumped in the sea so let us have it. They just go through it. They are exposed, so many of them are so badly exposed, but still their disciples find it difficult to get out, because they are under their control, their spell. They know that this man is wrong. He has done so much wrong. Like Rajneesh, now see, he has been found out. There are so many Germans who go to him, in Poona. And about this man I told long time back that he is wrong type of person.

Question: …is one of the signs of New Age that you are travelling around?

Interviewer: So would you see it as, I mean to come backWillaim Blake to the question of the New Age, is one of the signs of New Age that you are travelling around?
Shri Mataji: Nothing, this is the New Age I have started. You see, we had a very great artist from India who came here, he is a shennai player. He is a Muslim gentleman. He said, “These are all [Khalists ?], these are all pure people, Khalists people. So you are making a Khalistan here.” I said, “Yes, this is the Khalistan which Nanaka has described.” So he said, “What are they making?” I said, “You go and ask them what are they making? Where there is war and killing and all that going on, there is no Khalistan. These are Khalists, the pure people. And it’s described in all the prophecies.

In India there was a prophecy done by a very old astrologer. I think, he was the first – he is the pioneer of astrology. And he is the one who said, “Such and such time is going to come, and that Kundalini is going to be awakened, and that people are going to get this blessing, and this will be the New Age, and that people will become realized other people.” Even William Blake has so clearly said. William Blake has said, “God of men,” I mean, His prophecies are to such a detailed thing, that even in London where our Ashram will be he has described. To that extent. So it’s all there.

Question: Shri Mataji, what is Sahaja Yoga? I mean, what is the main idea of it?

Interviewer: Shri Mataji, what is Sahaja Yoga? I mean, what is the main idea of it?

Shri Mataji: Sahaja, Saha means with, Ja means born. Born with you. Shri MatajiThat is spontaneous. Yoga means Union with the Divine. Now, many people in the modern times won’t believe there’s anything like Divine. But supposing I say, “There is,” with an open mind of a scientist you must accept it as a hypothesis to begin with. Now, we have the Divine power, very subtle power everywhere, but we can’t feel it. With our human awareness we cannot feel it. With human awareness we also don’t know the absolute truth, we live in a relative world. So there has to be a breakthrough. And the breakthrough has to take place in our evolutionary process. And Sahaja Yoga is the method which gives you that breakthrough.

Spiritual evolution

Interviewer: How does it do this?

Shri Mataji: Now, within us is placed – is a energy which we call as Kundalini in Sanskrit language, which is a residual energy in the triangular bone called as Sacrum also means sacred bone, so maybe the Greeks knew about it. It rises like a primule in a seed, passes through six centers and pierces through the last one here and gives you what we call as the Self Realization or real baptism – real. Continue Reading »

Question: Is this Chakra here have the ability to understand – animals… the language of animals?

Interviewer: Is this Chakra here (ed: pointing to the Center Heart) have the ability to understand – animals… the language of animals?
 
Shri Mataji: No, no, no, not language of animals, no, no. That’s not true. This center of chakra is guarded by Jagadamba, the Mother of the Earth, Mother of the Universe is here. But this has got the antibodies, this chakra creates antibodies. Antibodies are what we call them Ganas are. They can fight your diseases. And that’s what is created by this chakras. And now, for example, AIDS, I will come on AIDS. AIDS is caused by the deficiency of this chakra and also of the first chakra. If you could manage these two chakras you can cure AIDS also.

Interviewer: Yeah, but this is also one of the abilities which are stored in here.
Shri Mataji: Yes, but with the animals, you don’t have to talk to them, but they understand you through your vibrations. You have such vibrations that animals know that you are a Realized Soul. A serpent will know, a horse will know, a dog will know – but not all of them. Some of them can be sinister also. But they are frightened of you, if they are sinister, they are frightened. But if they are good, then they’ll come to you and will be very nice to you. But I would not say we understand their language or anything, but we understand each others’ heart. (Shri Mataji laughing)

Interviewer: That’s a lot.
Shri Mataji: Yes, that’s the love, because that’s the mother’s – that’s the mother’s center. It’s very important center. But as a result of the defect in this center women can develop a kind of a trouble with their breasts. Breast cancer is caused by that. So many problems are caused with the deficiency of this center.

Question: Is this Kundalini the same like Atman?

Interviewer: So is this Kundalini the same like Atman?
Shri Mataji: No, Atma is Spirit in the heart. Now I’ll tell you from the another side, Shri Matajiso you will understand. See, we can say that God Almighty is reflected within your heart as Atma, all right? And the Kundalini is the power of God. She is desire that we all should get our Realization. She is reflected in you as Kundalini, as the Holy Ghost. So this Kundalini has to rise and meet the Atma, because though it is in the heart, the seat of Atma is here in the center, here in the fontanel bone area. That’s why She has to rise and touch it, so the connection is established.

Interviewer: For me it was unclear, because it is said that the Atman is the one which is inside you and always is awaiting that you discover it.
Shri Mataji: Yes that’s the way.

Interviewer: Yeah.
Shri Mataji: Now, I would give an analogy. In modern times we have lots of analogies. You can see in a gas, you see. Now the gas is the energy. For example. Let’s see the Kundalini is the energy, and there is a little light flickering. When this gas meets that light your attention becomes enlightened. Just an analogy up to a point you should see it.

Interviewer: I see an explosion happening when gas meets the light. This is exactly my question.
Shri Mataji: No, there is no explosion, no explosion, because they understand, they know. Actually you will be surprised how beautifully She works. How She comes into you. Like somebody has an obstruction on the Nabhi chakra. You’ll be surprised She pulsates, even in the triangular bone, just like a heart. And She suggests to you that this is the problem, now try to correct. Any problem She suggests, and She is so beautiful, the way She handles so gently your personality, She never wants to harm you in any way, if there’s too much obstruction She goes down.

Interviewer: You mean it’s a force that wants equilibrium?
Shri Mataji: Yes, you have to have balance, you have to have equilibrium. If the balance is upside down, if there is any obstruction because of that imbalances, She suggests, She tells you.

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