TV Interview ORF (Vienna, Austria ’88)

Question: Shri Mataji, would you say that every person being interested in Sahaja Yoga is mature to get this Realization from You?

Interviewer: Okay, now would you say that every person being interested in Sahaja Yoga is mature to get this Realization from You?

Shri Mataji: Not necessary. He can give Realization. He can give it, they are all doing it, not Me. In the beginning I gave it to some. And now they are doing it. It’s like one light which is enlightened can enlighten many. But to begin with it was Me, all right. (Shri Mataji laughing)

Question: And what is this technique (Sahaja Yoga Self-Realiszation) about?

Interviewer: And what is this technique (Sahaja Yoga Self-Realiszation) about?

Shri Mataji: It’s a very – depending on a person. Now see, we will take your case for example. (Shri Mataji laughing) You are a very busy person, one thing.

Interviewer (laughing): How do you know?

Shri Mataji: and you are very futuristic

Interviewer: Yes.

Shri Mataji: and you plan a lot, you think a lot. Such a person we call as a right-sided person. And you exhaust your right side energy much more.

So we have to fill in your right side energy. There’s a very simple method after Realization is to put your hand like this and – after Realization, not before that, and just to take the energy from the left side and put it on the right side, to fill you up. It’s very simple examples of movement of your fingers and hands – but after Realization, not before that. Before that it has no meaning. It is like if it is not connected to the mains, no use using this instrument.

Question: Shri Mataji, what is Sahaja Yoga? I mean, what is the main idea of it?

Interviewer: Shri Mataji, what is Sahaja Yoga? I mean, what is the main idea of it?

Shri Mataji: Sahaja, Saha means with, Ja means born. Born with you. Shri MatajiThat is spontaneous. Yoga means Union with the Divine. Now, many people in the modern times won’t believe there’s anything like Divine. But supposing I say, “There is,” with an open mind of a scientist you must accept it as a hypothesis to begin with. Now, we have the Divine power, very subtle power everywhere, but we can’t feel it. With our human awareness we cannot feel it. With human awareness we also don’t know the absolute truth, we live in a relative world. So there has to be a breakthrough. And the breakthrough has to take place in our evolutionary process. And Sahaja Yoga is the method which gives you that breakthrough.

Spiritual evolution

Interviewer: How does it do this?

Shri Mataji: Now, within us is placed – is a energy which we call as Kundalini in Sanskrit language, which is a residual energy in the triangular bone called as Sacrum also means sacred bone, so maybe the Greeks knew about it. It rises like a primule in a seed, passes through six centers and pierces through the last one here and gives you what we call as the Self Realization or real baptism – real. Continue Reading »

Question: …is one of the signs of New Age that you are travelling around?

Interviewer: So would you see it as, I mean to come backWillaim Blake to the question of the New Age, is one of the signs of New Age that you are travelling around?
Shri Mataji: Nothing, this is the New Age I have started. You see, we had a very great artist from India who came here, he is a shennai player. He is a Muslim gentleman. He said, “These are all [Khalists ?], these are all pure people, Khalists people. So you are making a Khalistan here.” I said, “Yes, this is the Khalistan which Nanaka has described.” So he said, “What are they making?” I said, “You go and ask them what are they making? Where there is war and killing and all that going on, there is no Khalistan. These are Khalists, the pure people. And it’s described in all the prophecies.

In India there was a prophecy done by a very old astrologer. I think, he was the first – he is the pioneer of astrology. And he is the one who said, “Such and such time is going to come, and that Kundalini is going to be awakened, and that people are going to get this blessing, and this will be the New Age, and that people will become realized other people.” Even William Blake has so clearly said. William Blake has said, “God of men,” I mean, His prophecies are to such a detailed thing, that even in London where our Ashram will be he has described. To that extent. So it’s all there.

Question: How do you discriminate a false guru and a genuine Guru?

Interviewer: I did read in the Press Communiqué that one of your topics is the topic of Guru, of gurus. Gurus, false gurus. Now what are they? How do you discriminate a false guru and a genuine Guru?

Shri Mataji: Yes, I’ve been talking against them since I think, 1970 very openly, even naming them. It’s very easy to make them out, you see, they are out for money. It’s the shopping. And they are out for money. They know the need of the hour. It’s like the demand and supply business, you see. It’s an economic activity. And, anybody who asks for money, one must know it’s not real.

Now, for example, your Realization is a living process. And we don’t pay any money to the Mother Earth to sprout the seed. Of course, but say, supposing, these people have started this Ashram. Now, here there are so many living. I don’t know how they spend, how they live, it is their lookout. They know all accounts, everything, I don’t bother. I am very bad at money myself. And also, you see they are the ones who collect money, and put up the posters and things like that. But for Realization I cannot take money, for curing you I cannot take money. I mean, there’s no question, you cannot value it. This has no economic value.

Interviewer: So you would say the discrimination is if somebody is interested in money – or not?

Shri Mataji: First. First chance. Second you must see the life style of such a person. Supposing such a man leads a very funny life, immoral life. And tells you big stories, then you should know that this is wrong, because a person who himself is not pure has no business to make others pure. There are many things described about false gurus in our scriptures, thank God. And so if you see their behaviour, that they say something and do something else. And they have scandalous life behind it. But the disciples just hide it, because they think, now we have jumped in the sea so let us have it. They just go through it. They are exposed, so many of them are so badly exposed, but still their disciples find it difficult to get out, because they are under their control, their spell. They know that this man is wrong. He has done so much wrong. Like Rajneesh, now see, he has been found out. There are so many Germans who go to him, in Poona. And about this man I told long time back that he is wrong type of person.

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