TV Interview ORF (Vienna, Austria ’88)

Question: How do you discriminate a false guru and a genuine Guru?

Interviewer: I did read in the Press Communiqué that one of your topics is the topic of Guru, of gurus. Gurus, false gurus. Now what are they? How do you discriminate a false guru and a genuine Guru?

Shri Mataji: Yes, I’ve been talking against them since I think, 1970 very openly, even naming them. It’s very easy to make them out, you see, they are out for money. It’s the shopping. And they are out for money. They know the need of the hour. It’s like the demand and supply business, you see. It’s an economic activity. And, anybody who asks for money, one must know it’s not real.

Now, for example, your Realization is a living process. And we don’t pay any money to the Mother Earth to sprout the seed. Of course, but say, supposing, these people have started this Ashram. Now, here there are so many living. I don’t know how they spend, how they live, it is their lookout. They know all accounts, everything, I don’t bother. I am very bad at money myself. And also, you see they are the ones who collect money, and put up the posters and things like that. But for Realization I cannot take money, for curing you I cannot take money. I mean, there’s no question, you cannot value it. This has no economic value.

Interviewer: So you would say the discrimination is if somebody is interested in money – or not?

Shri Mataji: First. First chance. Second you must see the life style of such a person. Supposing such a man leads a very funny life, immoral life. And tells you big stories, then you should know that this is wrong, because a person who himself is not pure has no business to make others pure. There are many things described about false gurus in our scriptures, thank God. And so if you see their behaviour, that they say something and do something else. And they have scandalous life behind it. But the disciples just hide it, because they think, now we have jumped in the sea so let us have it. They just go through it. They are exposed, so many of them are so badly exposed, but still their disciples find it difficult to get out, because they are under their control, their spell. They know that this man is wrong. He has done so much wrong. Like Rajneesh, now see, he has been found out. There are so many Germans who go to him, in Poona. And about this man I told long time back that he is wrong type of person.

Question: Is this Chakra here have the ability to understand – animals… the language of animals?

Interviewer: Is this Chakra here (ed: pointing to the Center Heart) have the ability to understand – animals… the language of animals?
Shri Mataji: No, no, no, not language of animals, no, no. That’s not true. This center of chakra is guarded by Jagadamba, the Mother of the Earth, Mother of the Universe is here. But this has got the antibodies, this chakra creates antibodies. Antibodies are what we call them Ganas are. They can fight your diseases. And that’s what is created by this chakras. And now, for example, AIDS, I will come on AIDS. AIDS is caused by the deficiency of this chakra and also of the first chakra. If you could manage these two chakras you can cure AIDS also.

Interviewer: Yeah, but this is also one of the abilities which are stored in here.
Shri Mataji: Yes, but with the animals, you don’t have to talk to them, but they understand you through your vibrations. You have such vibrations that animals know that you are a Realized Soul. A serpent will know, a horse will know, a dog will know – but not all of them. Some of them can be sinister also. But they are frightened of you, if they are sinister, they are frightened. But if they are good, then they’ll come to you and will be very nice to you. But I would not say we understand their language or anything, but we understand each others’ heart. (Shri Mataji laughing)

Interviewer: That’s a lot.
Shri Mataji: Yes, that’s the love, because that’s the mother’s – that’s the mother’s center. It’s very important center. But as a result of the defect in this center women can develop a kind of a trouble with their breasts. Breast cancer is caused by that. So many problems are caused with the deficiency of this center.

Question: Shri Mataji, what is your tradition. I mean the tradition of Sahaja Yoga,

Interviewer: What is your tradition. I mean the tradition of Sahaja Yoga, since when does it exist as an idea?
Shri Mataji: I think from times immemorial, because this is the only way you can raise Kundalini, by a Realized Soul. But used to be only once – one person, Tree of Life - depicted in Persian carpet art, William Blake's art and the Subtle systemmaybe two persons maybe. Like we can say the Tree of Life had one or two flowers to begin with. But today is a Blossomtime. That’s what I am taking advantage of.

Interviewer:  Yes. There is no founder or something, some mythical person?
Shri Mataji: No, no, no, nothing mythical, no, nothing mythical. But Nanaka has talked about it. Kabira has talked about it. Adi Shankaracharya has talked about it. Fourteen thousand years back Markandeya has talked about it. But only problem is this that today what I have done is to give it to masses. Any discovery if it doesn’t go to the masses it is of no use.

Interviewer: Doesn’t go to the what?
Shri Mataji: Masses, en-masse, masses, many people.

Interviewer: Many people. And when I talked of Yoga traditions, it is not only Hatha Yoga, there is also Raja Yoga, Jnana Yoga.
Shri Mataji: Now, Raja Yoga also is another thing, which is a very big misconception we have, because people don’t know what is Raja Yoga, so they try to – I mean, I don’t know, they have brought in something very artificial.

To give an analogy I will tell you this way. That when the Kundalini rises automatically within us, [bandhas ?] take place, means, the holding of the Kundalini takes place. Then also – of course it’s a mechanism that works the whole thing, all right, automatically, spontaneously. What they do is like without starting the car, they start moving the wheel. The car won’t move. They do all these things which are described when the Kundalini rises. But it is a spontaneous happening, innately done within yourself. It is not that you can do it from outside. So when they talk of Raja Yoga what do they say? They used to even cut the tongue of people.  Continue Reading »

Question: Shri Mataji, what is Sahaja Yoga? I mean, what is the main idea of it?

Interviewer: Shri Mataji, what is Sahaja Yoga? I mean, what is the main idea of it?

Shri Mataji: Sahaja, Saha means with, Ja means born. Born with you. Shri MatajiThat is spontaneous. Yoga means Union with the Divine. Now, many people in the modern times won’t believe there’s anything like Divine. But supposing I say, “There is,” with an open mind of a scientist you must accept it as a hypothesis to begin with. Now, we have the Divine power, very subtle power everywhere, but we can’t feel it. With our human awareness we cannot feel it. With human awareness we also don’t know the absolute truth, we live in a relative world. So there has to be a breakthrough. And the breakthrough has to take place in our evolutionary process. And Sahaja Yoga is the method which gives you that breakthrough.

Spiritual evolution

Interviewer: How does it do this?

Shri Mataji: Now, within us is placed – is a energy which we call as Kundalini in Sanskrit language, which is a residual energy in the triangular bone called as Sacrum also means sacred bone, so maybe the Greeks knew about it. It rises like a primule in a seed, passes through six centers and pierces through the last one here and gives you what we call as the Self Realization or real baptism – real. Continue Reading »

Question: …is one of the signs of New Age that you are travelling around?

Interviewer: So would you see it as, I mean to come backWillaim Blake to the question of the New Age, is one of the signs of New Age that you are travelling around?
Shri Mataji: Nothing, this is the New Age I have started. You see, we had a very great artist from India who came here, he is a shennai player. He is a Muslim gentleman. He said, “These are all [Khalists ?], these are all pure people, Khalists people. So you are making a Khalistan here.” I said, “Yes, this is the Khalistan which Nanaka has described.” So he said, “What are they making?” I said, “You go and ask them what are they making? Where there is war and killing and all that going on, there is no Khalistan. These are Khalists, the pure people. And it’s described in all the prophecies.

In India there was a prophecy done by a very old astrologer. I think, he was the first – he is the pioneer of astrology. And he is the one who said, “Such and such time is going to come, and that Kundalini is going to be awakened, and that people are going to get this blessing, and this will be the New Age, and that people will become realized other people.” Even William Blake has so clearly said. William Blake has said, “God of men,” I mean, His prophecies are to such a detailed thing, that even in London where our Ashram will be he has described. To that extent. So it’s all there.

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