Sahaja Yoga Meditation… Questions & Answers

Interviewer: I did read in the Press Communiqué that one of your topics is the topic of Guru, of gurus. Gurus, false gurus. Now what are they? How do you discriminate a false guru and a genuine Guru?

Shri Mataji: Yes, I’ve been talking against them since I think, 1970 very openly, even naming them. It’s very easy to make them out, you see, they are out for money. It’s the shopping. And they are out for money. They know the need of the hour. It’s like the demand and supply business, you see. It’s an economic activity. And, anybody who asks for money, one must know it’s not real.

Now, for example, your Realization is a living process. And we don’t pay any money to the Mother Earth to sprout the seed. Of course, but say, supposing, these people have started this Ashram. Now, here there are so many living. I don’t know how they spend, how they live, it is their lookout. They know all accounts, everything, I don’t bother. I am very bad at money myself. And also, you see they are the ones who collect money, and put up the posters and things like that. But for Realization I cannot take money, for curing you I cannot take money. I mean, there’s no question, you cannot value it. This has no economic value.

Interviewer: So you would say the discrimination is if somebody is interested in money – or not?

Shri Mataji: First. First chance. Second you must see the life style of such a person. Supposing such a man leads a very funny life, immoral life. And tells you big stories, then you should know that this is wrong, because a person who himself is not pure has no business to make others pure. There are many things described about false gurus in our scriptures, thank God. And so if you see their behaviour, that they say something and do something else. And they have scandalous life behind it. But the disciples just hide it, because they think, now we have jumped in the sea so let us have it. They just go through it. They are exposed, so many of them are so badly exposed, but still their disciples find it difficult to get out, because they are under their control, their spell. They know that this man is wrong. He has done so much wrong. Like Rajneesh, now see, he has been found out. There are so many Germans who go to him, in Poona. And about this man I told long time back that he is wrong type of person.

Interviewer: Shri Mataji, what is Sahaja Yoga? I mean, what is the main idea of it?

Shri Mataji: Sahaja, Saha means with, Ja means born. Born with you. That is spontaneous. Yoga means Union with the Divine. Now, many people in the modern times won’t believe there’s anything like Divine. But supposing I say, “There is,” with an open mind of a scientist you must accept it as a hypothesis to begin with. Now, we have the Divine power, very subtle power everywhere, but we can’t feel it. With our human awareness we cannot feel it. With human awareness we also don’t know the absolute truth, we live in a relative world. So there has to be a breakthrough. And the breakthrough has to take place in our evolutionary process. And Sahaja Yoga is the method which gives you that breakthrough.

Interviewer: How does it do this?

Shri Mataji: Now, within us is placed – is a energy which we call as Kundalini in Sanskrit language, which is a residual energy in the triangular bone called as Sacrum also means sacred bone, so maybe the Greeks knew about it. It rises like a primule in a seed, passes through six centers and pierces through the last one here and gives you what we call as the Self Realization or real baptism – real. Continue Reading »

Interviewer: How much are you, I mean, I said my last question half an hour before. (Laughter) How much are you influenced by Christian ideas? Shri Mataji: You mean Christianity or Christ? Interviewer: Yes. I don’t know – define it, I mean, whatever is important for You. Shri Mataji: Christ is very much there, no doubt, but Christianity I don’t know, it’s like all other religions, it has diverted. There was a book recently which I read Gnostic, which was – you might have also heard about it, when Saint Thomas on his way to India wrote this thing and put it in a jar in Egypt. It was found out about 48 years back. Gna in Sanskrit means ‘to know’. And in that whatever he has written challenges all our Christian ideas. First is that we must suffer, that God wants us to suffer for Him, and all these ideas of Christianity – we should confess our sins, and all that is being challenged. So about Christianity – I was Myself born in the Christian religion. And I was quite surprised the way we are following Christ. Because if we had followed Him properly – the first thing He has said is that, “You have to be born again.” And when He said that again we branded ourselves ”we are born again”. Just like so many people brand themselves as “Brahmins” or anything. But you are not born again, because a born again person has powers, has powers of raising the Kundalini. So, like that, Christ has said that, “You are to be born again,” meaning you have to have your Kundalini awakened. It‘s very clearly given in our Shastras, that a bird is called as a dwijaha, means born twice and a Brahmin is called also a dwijaha, means born twice. Means the Brahmin has one birth as a human being and second birth as a Brahmin when he knows the Brahma, means the All pervading power. In the same way a bird is born as an egg and then is reborn as a bird. So this is what is clearly given that you are to be born again, means that you have to get your Realization. Christ has said so many things, like He said, “Thou shalt not have adulterous eyes.” Now tell Me Christians what do you think about their eyes? Why Christianity has failed? Why has it failed everywhere? The problem with them is that they have not followed Christ as they should have. And it’s all diverted. The whole thing is so diverted. Now also I don’t understand why Paul is in Bible. Paul has nothing to do with Christ. He was epileptic. He was the one who killed Stephen. He was the one who killed so many Christians. He just had the supra-conscious experience of a cross and finished. He is an organizer. And do you know now the Protestants are going so far to say that Christ was a human being – finished. Because they can’t go anywhere near Him. So call Him a human being. They are even going up to the point to say that He was homosexual, what do you say to that? I mean, they go on saying every sort of thing about Him, who was the only Son of God.

Interviewer: So, you are talking about God as a real entity, as an existing entity. God, I mean, is existing, is something for you?
Shri Mataji: Of course.

Interviewer: Yes.
Shri Mataji: Of course He exists.

Interviewer: Excuse me that I’m asking this [it was not clear for me ?].
Shri Mataji: No, no, it’s correct, it’s correct, it’s correct. No, no, what I am saying is true.

But I would say in modern times, as Buddha didn’t want to talk about God, I didn’t talk about God for at least two years. Tried to avoid, because in modern times if you talk about God half of the people would leave the hall. But gradually now I convinced them about the existence of God, God exists.

You have ask just a question, it’s like a computer when you are a Realized Soul. Ask a question. If you say, “Mother, is there God?” Vibrations start coming. Supposing, relatively you see (Shri Mataji laughing & laughter), you put your hands and ask me a question, that’s it. Now you ask another question, like say, supposing somebody comes before me, they start shaking like this. And you say that you are following a false guru, that’s why you are shaking. Then the person will say, “How do you say, that because I am shaking maybe because I have my powers.” So you get another one who’s suffering from lunatic asylum, coming from lunacy, you see, you ask him – he will also shake. So relatively you see what you are. It has happened many a times with us, you see.

In Poona, they’ve said that, “You are not a Brahmin,” and all that. But they never told me, these boys never told me. We were having a program. And suddenly I said, “Who are Brahmins among you?” So five, six of them came and sat before me, “We are Brahmins.” I said, “All right, you are Brahmins, now put your hands towards me.” They started shaking like this. So I said, “Why are you shaking?” So, of course being Indians they said, “Because You are Shakti so we are shaking.” I said, “All right, but why are you shaking, nobody is shaking except for you?” They said, “See, the others are shaking there.” I asked them who are they. So, they said, “We are certified mad people from a lunatic asylum, have come because one person has been cured by You.” (Shri Mataji laughing) So the Brahmins kept all right. This is what it is. (Laughter) I must say the Divine comes to my help, you know. Otherwise these fanatics they think no end of themselves. They think God is in their pockets.

Interviewer: Okay.
Shri Mataji: I am happy you are for New Age. But try to understand where is the New Age. Everything has a camouflage. Everything has a camouflage. When I went to America, people told me that, “Mother, you better get your copyright.” I said, “What copyright?” “You must get copyright, otherwise they will use Your words.“ I said, “Let them use it, it’s a very good idea. Why should I take credit for anything? Let them use.” So they are saying vibrations, they are talking chakras, they are talking this. But what about Kundalini rising? – They can’t do it. They can’t do it. That’s the only point. They are using all my words, if you listen to My lectures long time back, you see, they are using all my words, they are using all my knowledge, everything. But that’s superficial. That’s all superficial. You have to have your Realization. And there is no harm. You take your Realization and you give Realizations to others. But if you want to make money with my words, if you want to make an organization with my words, then I can’t help you, I am sorry. That’s it.

Interviewer: So is this Kundalini the same like Atman?
Shri Mataji: No, Atma is Spirit in the heart. Now I’ll tell you from the another side, so you will understand. See, we can say that God Almighty is reflected within your heart as Atma, all right? And the Kundalini is the power of God. She is desire that we all should get our Realization. She is reflected in you as Kundalini, as the Holy Ghost. So this Kundalini has to rise and meet the Atma, because though it is in the heart, the seat of Atma is here in the center, here in the fontanel bone area. That’s why She has to rise and touch it, so the connection is established.

Interviewer: For me it was unclear, because it is said that the Atman is the one which is inside you and always is awaiting that you discover it.
Shri Mataji: Yes that’s the way.

Interviewer: Yeah.
Shri Mataji: Now, I would give an analogy. In modern times we have lots of analogies. You can see in a gas, you see. Now the gas is the energy. For example. Let’s see the Kundalini is the energy, and there is a little light flickering. When this gas meets that light your attention becomes enlightened. Just an analogy up to a point you should see it.

Interviewer: I see an explosion happening when gas meets the light. This is exactly my question.
Shri Mataji: No, there is no explosion, no explosion, because they understand, they know. Actually you will be surprised how beautifully She works. How She comes into you. Like somebody has an obstruction on the Nabhi chakra. You’ll be surprised She pulsates, even in the triangular bone, just like a heart. And She suggests to you that this is the problem, now try to correct. Any problem She suggests, and She is so beautiful, the way She handles so gently your personality, She never wants to harm you in any way, if there’s too much obstruction She goes down.

Interviewer: You mean it’s a force that wants equilibrium?
Shri Mataji: Yes, you have to have balance, you have to have equilibrium. If the balance is upside down, if there is any obstruction because of that imbalances, She suggests, She tells you.